Starve.Org White Noise Usenet Archive: "Re: Quotes attributed to L.Ron Hubbard"

On 8 Aug, 08:48, Kat <ladyas...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2:32 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I recorded this thread, I will use it to put together an issue about
> > the anti-Scientology cultist. As that is what it about really...

> "Anti-Scientology cultist". Tell me, are you lumping EVERY person who
> has ever disagreed with the CoS (it's actions, history or beleifs)
> into the this title or just a few?

Each is evaluated per their displayed behaviour here and now,
nonetheless a general deduction can be drawn from these.

>Also what are your defining
> characteristics of cultic behavior in those who speak out against
> Scientology?

Dependency, as a rule very critical (non-appreciative) towards
positive data re the subject of Scientology, negative tales are
readily/instantly adopted. No interest for deeper research or ANY
verification. Acceptancd of 'story telling' above verified historical
occurrences.

> A checklist for cultic characteristics I have found on many different
> sites online: (found this list and more on many different sites, I
> just copy-pasted this one from http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
> to save myself some typing time)

> The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment
> to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief
> system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

Gerry Armstrong, Arnie Lerma, Nibs, etc... None of these and various
others are ever questioned but believed instantly. I've asked p.e.
Peter Schilte repeatedly to say one criticism about Gerry Armstrong,
he is utterly unable to. Nonetheless the track of Gerry reveals lying,
manipulating, cheating, and stealing properties.

> ‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

Say one negative thing about the adopted guru's, and you will
instantly be attacked/questioned.

> ‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in
> tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are
> used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its
> leader(s).

Constant repetition of bad news, but unsubstantiated as such.

> ‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members
> should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission
> to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes
> to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to
> discipline children, and so forth).

Regarding 'think, act, and feel', please scan the anti-Scientology
based forums, this is excessively in use. It is NEVER promoted to
research honestly into the subject form first hand information,
instead one always refers to anti-Scientology sites and read the
'stories'...

> ‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself,
> its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the
> Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is
> on a special mission to save humanity).

Gerry Armstrong is considered a Hero.

> ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause
> conflict with the wider society.

Pretty much in use.

> ‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for
> example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks,
> and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

Probably so. The guru's of the anti-Scientology movement do as they
please...

> ‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends
> justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members'
> participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered
> reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example,
> lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

Pretty much so, just have a look at Anonymous, mostly people that have
not a clue about the subject of Scientology, spreading pamphlets and
when gotten into discussion about these with them, they look confused,
not knowing what to say next.

> ‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to
> influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer
> pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

Pretty much so. Say something positive about the subject Scientology
and you are readily attacked, invalidated, etc...

> ‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties
> with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and
> activities they had before joining the group.

> ‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

Excessive propaganda is exercised by the anti-Scientologist to coerce
people to not have any further look into the subject of Scientology.
And thus bring in new members.

> ‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.

Not likely. Although in the past people readily accepted money as a
pay off (Gerry Armstrong etc..).

> ‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the
> group and group-related activities.

It is attempted/encouraged so by its most devout members.

> ‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only
> with other group members.

On some scale likely true.

> ‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no
> life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other
> way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they
> leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

Look around the anti-Scientology forums/groups, many there need to be
involved with that what they do. Take for example Peter Schilte.

> Do tell me where you see cultic behavior, I'm curious.

Seems your eyes are not looking...