Starve.Org White Noise Usenet Archive: "Re: Something 'off' here"

Well, what can I say to that???
(Except that I changed my name from 'Bryce' when I met MJ......!!)

Seriously, I agree with what Andrew is saying above, and you make some
interesting points mate.
I didn't see the "Jesus loves porn stars" bible, and I agree that,
while it is true, that is not really an appropriate cover for a bible.

I think your suggestions of alternate site names is good Andrew, and I
see what both you and MJ are saying with some of the content too.
I suppose they are trying to get a bit of 'shock value' happening, but
at the same time I think it is great to see people in the church
actually trying to do something to help the millions who are "in the
grip" (no pun intended) of this particular addiction.

We should pray for them; that if the Lord would have them do things
differently, or change some of the content of their site, that He
would make it clear to them. And that they would be open to His
leading.

Oh well, I'm heading back to my Mills & Boon novel...!

Dave

On May 10, 10:44 pm, mjwhee...@unwired.com.au wrote:

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> Hi Guys,
> Just visited the xxx site! Interesting! I was shocked by some of the
> confessions and actually wonder how many wacko's the site is
> attracting (other than all of us I mean) It made me feel very
> uncomfortable - especially some of the confessions - could they not
> just speak to Jesus about all of this? I guess my real concern is
> that the "addict" stops viewing and downloading porn, visits this site
> and just reads about other peoples stories, which in some cases
> bordered on the pornographic anyway. Just a thought. I did read an
> article once that had the view that Mills and Boon romances were as
> bad as pornography because they give the reader an unrealistic view of
> a relationship. Ummm NO KIDDING! I think I may start a site to deal
> with the disappointment of never meeting a millioaire named Bryce
> Moneybags!

> On May 10, 4:19 am, Andrew <ajs...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> > Dave, Mandy and others,

> > All this got me thinking, because the reference inside of me,
> > initially saw an error which has remained with me.

> > I see what you guy's are saying.

> > The unChristian book is a bit deep for my brain at the moment and
> > requires a lot of my brain power to analyse. But to me it goes without
> > saying that the Church is not being the witness it should be - but
> > then, some Christians "are" doing the right thing - aren't they, but
> > they are a small minority.

> > For now I want to comment on the xxxChurch.com.

> > The xxxChurch.com is about helping people with porn addiction. I am
> > all for people helping others with any kind of addiction or struggle.
> > Yes, you can't have a problem with what these people are trying to do.

> > I think there is a problem however with the name of the site -
> > xxxChurch.com and the statement "#1 Christian Porn Site" and also the
> > links have porn related names. Also there is a problem with having a
> > "Jesus loves porn stars" Bible for sale. Isn't the Bible a Holy book?
> > Yes, Jesus does love porn stars, but the Father can't fellowship with
> > them unless they repent and turn their heart to him, but he "is"
> > reaching out to them.

> > The world is becoming increasingly evil, sin is becoming stronger and
> > is obviously having an affect on the Church. Christians are becoming
> > more desensitised as evil progresses. There is a great battle going on
> > the tsunamies of evil are sweeping over the Church making it difficult
> > for Christians to hold their ground unless their building is ancored
> > on the rock - Jesus. The evil has so pervaded Christian circles, that
> > even the wonderfull, holy, pure and perfect name and character of God
> > is being tarnished in the Church. These people from xxxChurch,
> > although they mean well, are unwittingly and unintentionally dragging
> > the name and character of the Lord, through the mud.

> > One commandment is - you shall not take the name of the Lord your God
> > in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name
> > in vain.. And the Lords prayer - hallowed be thy name. We must have
> > the utmost respect for his name and not tarnish it or his character in
> > any way.

> > Why not have these names for the site:

> > xxxhelp.com
> > #1 porn help site

> > pornaddiction.com
> > #1 answer for addicts

> > The Christian method these days seems to be - to catch an insect,
> > become like an insect.

> > Jesus caught people by being the very opposite to them, holy and
> > righteous. His light attracted those that craved it - he didn't have
> > to come down to their level by "looking like" them. A light will
> > attract thousands of insects at night, but if you want to attract
> > insects without a light, you need to look, smell and act like an
> > insect.
> > You don't need to look like a surfer, join a metal band or have a look-
> > a-like porn site to attract people, we need to look and act like Jesus
> > and those that want him will come.

> > I've tried to see the good in this site and I do see people serious
> > about helping others with addiction, but if this is the focus then it
> > is lop sided - having Jesus as the focus will free people.

> > Also, Mandy's second comment on the research findings I go along with.

> > And Daves comments that sex is a problem for a lot or most men is true
> > and it takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude and the strength of
> > Jesus to resist the temptations. Especially those that loom up
> > unexpected on the net. But Dave! - are they bringing freedom or just
> > bandaids and the heart remains unchanged?

> > See you

> > Andrew

> > On May 8, 11:04 am, Dave <dke...@hope.nsw.edu.au> wrote:

> > > Hey all,

> > > I opened up the xxxchurch site too, and at first glance it does look
> > > questionable, but I actually clicked some of the links and it is
> > > fantastic site. It deals with pornography and the addiction that it is
> > > for so many men. It is actually a strong site that encourages people
> > > to speak up if they are struggling in these areas, but does so with
> > > grace rather than judgmentalism.

> > > I actually think it is a site that we should look closer at. I tend to
> > > agree with Mandy, that sites like this are being much more 'real' than
> > > many churches are with issues like this. From my ministry experience,
> > > I have rarely ever ministered to a man who has not struggled in some
> > > way with sexual purity (including pornography and the like), and to be
> > > perfectly honest, I have struggled with issues of purity throughout my
> > > adult life too.

> > > Therefore I applaud site such as this one who are actually trying to
> > > bring freedom to the many men who still struggle in these areas.

> > > Have a great day,

> > > Dave

> > > On May 7, 9:20 pm, Andrew <ajs...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

> > > > Apon investigation of Daves post, there is a portion of the book
> > > > Unchristian onwww.unchristian.com.

> > > > On the last page it states - Mike Foster founder of xxxchurch.com

> > > > I brought up the sitewww.xxxchurch.comandfounditto be what I
> > > > would consider to be an "off" site. Even though they "appear" to be
> > > > doing good. Please check it out youself.

> > > > I liken it to supposed Christian Heavy Metal bands trying to reach
> > > > people for Christ. Which I personally don't agree with. But that's
> > > > another discussion point isn't it - but I'm not going to get into that
> > > > one at the moment.

> > > > What are your thoughts on this xxx site?