Starve.Org White Noise Usenet Archive: "Re: VC

How can u be a grey market non-pirate? I thought there was no way to pay
Directv even if u wanted to pay them. You can still get use an American
address and pay them? I thought they stopped doing that a long time ago.
Directv always knew what was going on, they were glad to have Canadian
subscribers paying them, then the Canadian government kicked up a fuss and
told them to enforce
their jurisdictional rules.
Least that's what I remember............vaguely.

"Truong" <asonthebadone@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:jecq8.26145$dVT.298@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...

> "Mayor Tommy" <ally@inforamp.net> wrote in message
> news:8Ebq8.32504$09u.28852@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > A grey market Directv pirate are we?

> He could be a grey market non-pirate as well.

> Of course in the eyes of Sheila KKKopps, pirate or not, the mere act of a
> person in Canada watching non-CRTC sanctioned US television is Pure Evil.

> > Somebody told me Directv has been a nightmare recently for people with
> those
> > cards. I thought somebody said they were going to switch the cards of
> > everybody and it would make pirate cards useless until I guess the
hackers
> > figure out how to
> > get around the next generation of cards.

> > "Scott" <t.@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Rpbq8.4116$iU6.1135963@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > Great review.

> > > I saw it as well. I'm a huge fan of Beyond the Glory and this is one
of,
> > if
> > > not THE, best of the series. I especially like how they left it to
the
> > last
> > > scene for what has happened to the brother and his relationship with
> Vince
> > > in the last year or so.

> > > I'm constantly amazed at how relaxed he is in some situations, yet so
> > > standoffish in others. As you say, throughout this interview he seems
> > > completely at ease and seems almost freeflowing. Yet during other
> > in-season
> > > interviews it seems like he is genuinely agitated by questions.

> > > All in all, one of the best basketball documentaries of the past few
> > years.

> > > RFFL,

> > > Scott.
> > > (1.5 back, 9 to go!)
> > > "Proby45011" <proby45011@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20020331233751.07867.00001889@mb-mv.aol.com...
> > > > I'd almost rate this a must see for any Vince Carter fan. Not that
> the
> > > details
> > > > of Carter's life story haven't already been exposed time and again,
> but
> > > > probably the most extensive collection of impressive Vince Carter
> > footage
> > > > complied into an hour long program one could only hope for. The
> editing
> > > alone
> > > > of all the highlight reel reminiscing was simply esthetically
> fantastic.
> > > I
> > > > can't overstate that enough.

> > > > This narrated program spotlighted Vince talking about his feelings
on
> > each
> > > > featured clip of his story. As you sit and watch his interviews,
what
> > > strikes
> > > > you is how calm and well spoken he is. He comes across as down to
> earth
> > > and
> > > > mature. Totally relaxed, sincere and likable. Certainly nowhere
near
> > the
> > > > unsure of himself, stuttering rookie that came into Toronto four
years
> > > ago. In
> > > > this piece, there's no mistaking he's very much a man and not boy.

> > > > It started out with footage of Vince playing organized basketball as
a
> > > young
> > > > child. Interestingly enough, you can see Vince in every sequence as
> the
> > > only
> > > > one on the court wearing protective goggles. Vince's real father
talks
> > > about
> > > > tossing a basketball back and forth with his uncle over Vince's crib
> the
> > > day
> > > > they brought him home from hospital. Moving on to Vince's High
School
> > > years,
> > > > there's extensive footage shown from everything from the standing
room
> > > only
> > > > crowds to the cheerleaders. There were dunks, and dunks and more
> dunks.
> > > And in
> > > > erie fashion, there were the same animated grandstanding gestures
> after
> > > his
> > > > spectacular plays that we would see Vince do in his first two
seasons
> as
> > a
> > > > Raptor. There was the agony of being defeated in the Florida State
> > Finals
> > > one
> > > > year to the championship victory the next. Shots of the parade with
> > Vince
> > > and
> > > > his teammates hanging of out cars. There were interviews with North
> > > Carolina
> > > > coaches remembering that their decision to offer Vince a scholarship
> > came
> > > off
> > > > their first scouting trip to Mainland High. Something they related
> that
> > > was a
> > > > very unusual practice. There was a flashback shot of Vince's
> > announcement
> > > to
> > > > attend UNC at the High School gym and the wild scene of joy that
> > followed.
> > > And
> > > > what would a visit to Vince's High School days be without viewing
Mr.
> > > Majorette
> > > > upclose. I dare say Vince looked very comfortable waving that baton
> and
> > > > marching around in those drum major whites.

> > > > Life at Carolina was tough. Not much playing time initially, and
the
> > > > structured program that didn't allow Vince to show what he could do
> was
> > > > disappointing and frustrating. I had read before where Momma
Michelle
> > > visited
> > > > Dean Smith three times during Vince's freshman season to discuss his
> > role
> > > on
> > > > the team. Vince talked about Butch Carter and said he never told
> anyone
> > > this
> > > > before, but when he came to Toronto Butch told him that he was going
> to
> > > give
> > > > him the ball and let him do all the things he couldn't in college ..
> let
> > > him
> > > > show the world what he could do. It meant a lot Vince and he
credited
> > > Butch
> > > > with his rise to stardom. He spoke of how Butch got on him when he
> > wasn't
> > > > right and several interview clips with Butch Carter confirmed that.
> One
> > > honest
> > > > assessment in particular, after being swept by NY, Butch Carter
simply
> > > > recounted of Vince's play .... "He stunk."

> > > > There was lots of interjection paralleling Vince's rise with his
> > brother,
> > > > Chris' decent into the world of drugs. Arrested five time in a two
> year
> > > > period, Chris openly points to living in Vince's shadow as the
reason
> he
> > > chose
> > > > to run in a downward direction. Constantly being compared to Vince
> and
> > > > expected to do what he could. He looks nothing like Vince and
sounded
> > > more
> > > > incoherent than not. There were several clips of Michelle and
> ex-second
> > > hubby
> > > > Harry that emphatically rang home that they had done whatever they
> could
> > > to
> > > > deter Chris's behavior. Michelle recounted that the two boys were
> > close,
> > > until
> > > > their teens when Vince's notoriety started to kick in. That when
> Chris
> > > began
> > > > to spin out of control, there were punishments and tough love handed
> > out,
> > > > discipline and help of all kinds given. God, she maintained was the
> only
> > > one
> > > > that could change him. At the height of Vince's recruiting, Chris
had
> > > quit
> > > > high school and moved out of the house to live with his unsavory
> friends
> > > in the
> > > > worst section of Daytona. Vince's prospective was one of
> understanding
> > > and
> > > > defense of his brother. He played the part of being supportive and
at
> > the
> > > same
> > > > time focused on his college career. At which point he said, he knew
> > > little
> > > > about what Chris was involved with. In an emotional moment, Vince
> > > admitted
> > > > that he never did visit his brother in prison ... that he just
> couldn't
> > > bring
> > > > himself to do that. You could almost read Vince's quiltas he says
it.
> > > Chris'
> > > > final clip, he reveals he's on track to finishing up high school and
> is
> > > > committed to being drug free .. that he'd like to make his mother
and
> > > brother
> > > > proud of him.

> > > > On to draft night where Vince said he had his first taste of the
> > business
> > > side
> > > > of the NBA when he was immediately traded to Toronto. Stated as if
> > almost
> > > it
> > > > was an unpleasant experience. Then on to the Tank Black episode. A
> lot
> > > of
> > > > footage of Michelle detailing how close they were to Black, how much
> > they
> > > > trusted him and refused to believe that he would ever take advantage
> of
> > > Vince
> > > > and how absolutely devested they were to be the last ones to find
out
> > that
> > > > Black had taken $200,000 of Vince's money and invested it illegally.
> > The
> > > look
> > > > on Michelle's face as she said that she would never forgive that man
> for
> > > > hurting "that kid" was priceless.

> > > > The McGrady issue was revisited. The incredibly close friendship
they
> > > shared
> > > > in Vince's Rookie year. If Vince wasn't at Tracy's condo, Tracy was
> at
> > > his.
> > > > Playing video games, laughing, dancing. A clip of Alvin Williams
> > talking
> > > about
> > > > how they pushed each other in practice and how much they each
> respected
> > > the
> > > > other on the court. And several clips from McGrady talking about
how
> he
> > > and
> > > > Vince were inseparable, how they knew they had something very
special
> on
> > > the
> > > > court together and finally how Vince believed they could both be in
> the
> > > > limelight and how Tracy felt they couldn't. Clear as a bell. As
Vince
> > > would
> > > > comment, he wanted to be a superstar and now he is ... I'm happy for
> > him.
> > > And
> > > > you truely believe Vince when he says it. As the program showed
> vintage
> > > > footage of these two on the floor, it suddenly hits you how much
> better
> > a
> > > > player Tracy made Vince. Tracy's sheer passing ability and
playground
> > > style
> > > > coupled with a streaking Carter and his athletic assets was pure
> poetry
> > in
> > > > motion. They touched upon the hurtful comments Tracy made, his
> leaving
> > as
> > > a
> > > > free agent coinciding with Butch Carter's demise as a very painful
> time
> > > for
> > > > Vince. Vince says of the comments Tracy was to have made .. "maybe
he
> > > said
> > > > them, maybe he didn't" ... as if there were still a doubt that he
> didn't
> > > > believe Tracy's denials, but that it didn't matter as he chose to
> > rekindle
> > > the
> > > > friendship.
> > > > I'm not sure it was every brought to light just how much Butch
> Carter's
> > > firing
> > > > pained Vince at the time. Apparently, the combination of both Tracy
> and
> > > Butch
> > > > leaving left him angry. Angry enough to grow his hair and head down
> > under
> > > with
> > > > a chip on his shoulder and looking for an outlet. Butch Carter and
> > Vince
> > > > talked on the phone while Vince was at the Olympics and still
remained
> > > close.
> > > > Butch claims he tried to keep Vince focused on winning and told him
..
> > go
> > > bring
> > > > me home my gold medal.

> > > > Graduation Day .... lots of Michelle finally getting an opportunity
to
> > > answer
> > > > the critics. She stated that as educators they firmly believed that
> > part
> > > of
> > > > the education process was the celebration that went along with it.
> That
> > > she
> > > > couldn't believe anyone could criticize Vince for wanting to take
part
> > in
> > > his
> > > > celebration and that she was extremely proud of him for not letting
> the
> > > > pressure of the media and what anyone else thought make him change
his
> > > mind.
> > > > Lots of footage of the "shot" that missed from different angles ...
> and
> > > Vince
> > > > relaying that he asked the coach for that last shot and said to
Lenny
> > > before he
> > > > went out onto the floor ...I'll get myself open and make it. As a
> fan,
> > > you're
> > > > happy to know that he wanted it and believed he could do it, even it
> > > didn't
> > > > work out that way.

> > > > You had the feeling that the Carters had a hand in what was covered
in
> > > this
> > > > production. Several things were left out of the story. No mention
of
> > Oak
> > > and
> > > > his controversial statements that nudged Vince, no mention of
> Michelle's
> > > > divorce from her second husband, the brash reaction Vince received
in
> > > Australia
> > > > or the Puma sneaker legal battle. Then again, it was only an hour
> show!

> > > > But perhaps the most compelling footage from Vince Carter - Behind
the
> > > Glory
> > > > was their review of the infamous Dunk Contest. I didn't think it
was
> > > possible
> > > > to see something again you've already seen for what seems like a
> > thousand
> > > times
> > > > and appreciate it in a whole new light. Credit the incredible
> editing,
> > > > overvoices, and Vince Carter commentary as he described what he was
> > > feeling at
> > > > each moment. Whatever it was, it gave you chills. I'm glad I taped
> it.

> > > > Maddy