Starve.Org White Noise Usenet Archive: "Re: 1999-2000 Eastern Conference Predictions"

teddd wrote in message <37B09C40.A1ECBEC6@home.com>...
>So you claim that the Celtic's are a better team because of all these
>trades?

>Celtics record before and after trades:

>With Billups: 24-29 .453
>With Anderson: 31-48 .392

>Before Potapenko: 7-9 .438
>With Potapenko: 12-22 .353

>With Mercer: 55-77 .417
>With Fortson: ???

>Conclusion: The Celtics did not improve after either of the first 2
>trades. They must win at least 35 games this year to show improvement
>with Fortson over Mercer. It will be close.

>Read on.

Hello, idiot boy! The win/loss column does not tell all. The trades
improved the team — bottom line. You are singling out players. _Teams_ win
or lose games, teddy! Not one player. Also you didn't take into account
very important things like injuries and bad team chemistry; Boston had an
overdose of both. Oh yeah, we had 6 team practices last year or something
ridiculously low like that. Is that a good way to win when you have a young
team who doesn't know how to play together in the first place? Think,
Teddy, think. I know it's asking a lot, but could at least try?

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>-DAVE- wrote:

>> teddd wrote in message <37B04876.ECAF65C9@home.com>...
>> >That's funny troll.

>> >You keep harping on the Raptors sending the 5th pick for A.Davis while
>> >you defend the Celtics trading 3 high lottery picks for a bunch of
>> >question marks.

>> >Pitino = one awful general manager

>> >-Dave- = one unintelligent troll

>> Let me hold your hand and walk you through the complicated process of
>> improving an NBA team. If you knew anything - anything at all - about
the
>> game of basketball, you'd know that all of Pitino's moves have resulted
in
>> a BETTER and stronger team.

>> RP drafts Billups and Mercer.
>> RP sees Billups sucks and will never be a pure PG. We ship him out for
>> Kenny Anderson, an all-star caliber point guard who was to provide some
>> scoring, passing and veteran leadership. Good move. Billups is a bust.
>> RP realizes we need a legitimate center to plug up the middle; we had
been
>> abused for the past 5-6 seasons by the NBA's other centers and our team
>> never had an answer. We shipped out DeClerq (who was never a good player
to
>> begin with) and Andre Miller* for Potapenko. We finally had a legitimate
>> NBA center.

>Fact:Pitino has been trying to rid himself of Anderson all summer. He
>found no takers for an overpaid, aging, whiny stiff.

Fact, eh? Can you prove that? It sounds like yet another rumor to me.
There is not another PG I'd want here that we could realistically attain.

>Fact: The Raptors turned Billups into numerous good players and picks
>unlike Pitino. Sorry Dave, still jealous?

Just keep stockpiling draft picks up in Toronto. They leave after a few
years anyway.
(Trent, Camby, Stoudamire, infinity)

>Miller would be the perfect defensive point guard for Boston's system,
>Potapenko is only marginally better then DeClerq.

Potapenko is WAY better than DeClerq. I've seen them both play enough to
know this.
I'd rather have Andre Miller than KA, but I already explained all that.
Who knows? Miller might be an NBA bust (it happens). Anderson is an
all-star caliber scoring PG who is one of the top PG's in the NBA _when he
tries_. All of that must have went right over your head.

>Most intelligent poster's in the Boston NG agree that both of these
>deals were huge mistakes.

Wrong. In any event, I'm sure Celtics' management cares what we rattle on
about on our newsgroup.
You're really too damn stupid to even debate with about basketball. Let's
try this one more time for the sole purpose of your edification.

Celtics had no center. We always got killed in the paint. We had a PG and
a shitty center, so we figured why not ship of DeClerq and our draft pick
(which was NOT projected to be a lottery pick) for a real NBA center. Who's
the best Center we can aquire without giving up too much? Vitaly! Bingo!

Hmmm, let's think for a second here, Teddy. Could the Celtics get:

Shaq? No
Mourning? No
Robinson? No
Duncan? No
Mutumbo? No
LaFrentz? No
Will Purdue, Luc Longley, etc? Yes, but why would we? Vitaly is 10X
better than them.

So you see here, my small minded foolish pal, we could have kept Declerq
and continued to get our ass kicked in the paint, draft Andre Miller and
then have 2 starting PG's (what for?).
Or, we get a real NBA center in Potapenko and solve our center problem
which has plagued us ever since Parish left. We chose the latter, thank
God. See that, Teddy? I had to explain it twice and you still probably
won't get it! Also, there were ZERO credible centers in last year's draft.

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>> [*When the Potapenko trade was made, Pitino felt a center was the final
>> piece of the puzzle we needed to make a playoff run. Had Pitino known
(by
>> some fortune telling method) that Boston would suck again last season and
>> we'd be in the lottery anyway, that trade probably would not have been
>> made. At the time, it seemed like a good deal; and it still does. I
>> guarantee that if Cleveland could go back in time, they wouldn't have
>> traded their only center. That move kept them out of the playoffs AND
got
>> their coach fired. Think about it, you retard. It was another good
move
>> for the Celtics.*]

>So now you agree that Pitino wouldn't have made the trade had he known
>about the Celtics poor season, but it's a good trade anyway. You must be
>dizzy.

See above.

>Ilgauskus is Cleveland's center. That is why they traded a stiff like
>Potapenko. DeClerq + Miller for a stiff, who they were going to let
>leave as a free-agent anyway?
>Yep, Cleveland's sure crying about this one.

The trade helped both teams. That's usually how it works. Will you read a
friggin book or something on this stuff? It all seems common sense material
to me but for a troglodyte like yourself it must be overwhelmingly difficult
(just like tying your shoes).

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>> Finally, we traded Mercer and two chumps for Danny Fortson (NBA's
leading
>> offensive rebounder and 4th rebounder overall), Eric Williams (a superior
SF
>> compared to most reserves; he can even be a starter), some other guy
named
>> Eric AND a draft pick. Well lookee there. Yet another good Pitino move.
>> Mercer is a one-dimensional ball hog and we have enough scorers already.
>> Now we are a superior rebounding team and a whole lot tougher in the
paint.
>> Are you getting this, Teddy? This is how you improve an NBA team. These
>> are the steps you take to become a champion.

>Boy you loved Mercer when he was with the Celtics, but now he is a
>'one-dimensional ballhog'. Fortson is a great rebounder, but that's
>about it. Eric Williams shot 36% from the field this year.

I loved Mercer's speed and jumper. I'll get over it since we made out damn
good in the Denver trade.

>> You are overly obsessed with draft picks. Who cares, moron! We traded
our
>> draft picks, correct; but it made us a better team. That's all that
>> matters. Please use your brain for once.
>> Celtics sign Calbert Cheaney, who is another superior SG/SF who can be
a
>> starter. You see now, Teddy, the Celtics' bench is stronger than the
>> double reenforced steel bed frame your fat mother sleeps on. What do
you
>> know? Another good Pitino move.

>Cheaney = superior? Obviously you haven't noticed what a flop he was on
>those bad Washington teams?

Not really. The Spurs, Heat and Sonics were all pursuing him. His numbers
went down last year because they had another SG named, oh, let me try to
recall, Mitch Richmond, who happens to be much better than Cheaney.
Cheaney is a superior BENCH player (damn! that went right over your head
again!). As I said, our bench is quite strong now.

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>> I'm glad there are SO many Pitino doubters. He has made this team so
much
>> better that I can't friggin' believe it. Of course you'll disagree
because
>> your knowledge of basketball is akin to Adam Yolaendtgsuis's (whatever)
>> knowledge of coitus.

>> >-DAVE- wrote:

>> >> nijjar wrote in message <7olbsg$ono$1@cougar.golden.net>...
>> >> >Here's how I see the Eastern Conference
>> >> >shaping up (projected order of finish)...
>> >> >Boston - They some how managed to parlay a 3rd, 6th, and 8th overall
>> draft
>> >> >pick into a has-been PG (Anderson), a 6'6 PF (Fortson) and Vitaly
>> >> Potapenko.
>> >> >Need I say more?

>> >> You could say more. How about: "and those trades made them a much
better
>> and
>> >> balanced team. I see them making the playoffs this year and possibly
>> being
>> >> an impact team."

>They have possibly the worst defensive starting 5 in the league. (go
>into the Nuggets NG and ask them about Fortson's defense) You can't win
>games without playing defense.

>Bye-bye now.

Fortson is a 4, not a 5. I'll give you three guesses why he played the 5
last year. Think hard Teddy!
I know nothing of Fortson's defense, but Mercer's defense sucked.

Go to nba.com and look at Fortson's biggest games from last season. He
absolutely dominated Shaq, Hakeem, Mourning, etc in rebounds and points
while playing as an undersized center. Mercer gets more attention because
he's a scorer. Fortson is an animal rebounder, which is just as, if not
more, important; but he'll never get excessive media coverage because he
doesn't dunk like Carter. I'd rather have Fortson ripping down rebounds and
clogging up the paint than Mercer with his jumpshot or even Carter with his
dunks. Rebounding wins games and, ultimately, championships. That's a
fact, boy. You can teach anyone to shoot a basketball; try to teach a
player how to become the NBA's leading offensive rebounder. You can't.

I suggest you read up on this stuff — you really need it.