Starve.Org White Noise Usenet Archive: "Re: Dream Team"

HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable mental case an dog trainin
FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message

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> i
>> So they were all Elkhounds? I would have loved to see that. It is
>> hard to believe a dog could live to 22; that is amazing. As a breed,
>> they must not be susceptible to many ailments.

> They are susceptible to hip dysplasia in
> more frequent numbers than most breeds.

CITES PLEASE, diddler?

That's a LOAD OF CRAP you freakin malignant ignorameHOWES:

HIP DYSPLASIA simply is a lack of VITAMIN C in your
dogs diet. Almost all dogs in the U. S . are raised on
commercial dog food-with NO NATURAL VITAMIN C.

"True, the manufacturers add ascorbic acid, but this chemical
form of Vitamin C just isn't good enough. Your dog MUST get
Vitamin C in his diet on a daily basis from a natural source,
like fresh vegetables or RAW MILK or Vitamin C made from a
VEGETABLE SOURCE"

Recent research from Purdue SEZ that ascorbic acid added
to dog food INCREASES the chances of GVD (bloat, gastric
torsion) by 320%.

Here's the RESEARCH article from Purdue:
http://www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/dietrisk.htm

Here's the RESEARCH from Dr. Belfield:
http://www.belfield.com/article5.html

Here's more info on vitamin C:
http://workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm

steve crane aka gaubster (his secret alias) is the NUTRITIONIST /
SALESMAN for Science Diet Dog Foods International <{) : ~ ) >

Lolajoker ASKED steve to comment on the recent report from Purdue.

HE WON'T ADDRESS the ISSUE on accHOWENT of:
Science Diet PRESERVES THEIR DOG FOOD with...

(DRUMROLL, PLEASE, Mr. Maestro)...

***ASORBIC ACID***

Ta Dah! RIMSHOT: BANG~!

(Thank you, Mr. Maestro!).

ADIOS, steve <{) : ~ ) >

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"Dr. Spain, who has been recently involved in many
studies assessing the long-term risks and benefits of
early-age neutering, presented convincing data about
the effects of spay/neuter on hip dysplasia, cranial
cruciate ligament rupture, long bone development,
body weight, diabetes, urinary tract infections,
mammary cancer, and several other conditions."

CONCLUSIONS

An objective reading of the veterinary medical literature
reveals a complex situation with respect to the longterm
health impacts of spay/neuter in dogs.

The evidence shows that spay/neuter correlates with both
positive AND adverse health effects in dogs. It also
suggests how much we really do not yet understand about
this subject.

On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made
for neutering most male dogs to prevent future health problems,
especially immature male dogs. The number of health problems
associated with neutering may exceed the associated health
benefits in most cases.

> But since they are so moderately angulated, it never kills them,

That's SHEER IDIOCY, diddler <{}: ~ ( >

> it just means they will probably be on Rimadyl in their old age.

BWEEEEAAAAHAAHAAHAAAA~~!!

Hip problems AIN'T what you think they are and it
CERTAINLY AIN'T caused by a lack of RIMADYL.
Rimadyl is DEATHLY poisonHOWES. Dogs have been
known to DROP DEAD from WON day's use of Rimadyl:

Subject: RIMADYL - LACK OF INFORMATION FROM
PFIZER AND ALL DOGS CAN BE AFFECTED SEVERELY.

From: Jason J Hamilton (wild...@stargate.net) Subject:
Arthritis Drug "Rimadyl" Kills Dogs! Please read on ...
Date: 2000/03/13

Read the article on the front page of today's Wall Street
Journal. It states that Rimadyl is toxic and creates deadly
liver complications in dogs. Vets new this as early as 1998
as have not properly informed dog owners.

My Golden just died of Liver Cancer and he was on a strong
dose of Rimadyl.

Please warn owners and friends of these risks. Vets are
supposed to warn owners of the side-effects but they have not!

My former vet (Bradford Hills Vet in Pittsburgh PA)
certtainly did not! They stated that Rimadyl was like a
prescription aspirin and handed me a bottle for my dog's first
treatment. I would not have treated my dog had I known
otherwise.

Also, these Vets receive perks from the drug manufacturer
Pfizer when they buy Rimadyl to sell to animal owners. Vets
could get points from Pfizer for each Rimadyl purchase they
made; points were redeemable for PalmPilots, Zip Drives, and
other equiptment!

Please reference today's Wall Street Journal for additional
details, and please, pass this information on to other animal
owners.

Thank you. Jason Hamilton

Post Script: Rimadyl is a frequently prescribed anti-
inflammatory used to treat dogs with arthritis. Pfizer
studies as far back as 1997 show deaths as a result of
ingesting Rimadyl. Being that the drug is very profitable
to vets and the drug manufacturer, many vets and Pfizer
have not communicated the drug's deadly risk to the public
as originally requested by the FDA. The FDA had asked
Pfizer to state one of the drugs side -effects as, "death".
Pfizer chose to withdrawal their commercials rather than
state "death" as a side-effect.

> They have an annoying habit of getting
> Sebaceous cysts (still doesn't kill them),

That's INSANE, diddler. Dogs GET those cysts from
the inability to metabolize nutrition due to STRESS
from your ABUSE.

> and PRA and Glaucoma is too well known in the breed.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~~!~!~!:

PRA, a vitamin E deficiency like CHD (Canine Hip Dysplasia
a vitamin C deficiency like scurvy) is a metabolic / nutritional
defect and SHOULD NOT PRESENT as a clinical problem
anyMOORE NHOWE that we KNOW ALL abHOWET IT:

http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/fileadmin/gdba/images/downloads/CPRAisnta...

Central Progressive Retinal Atrophy - isn't anymore June 1999

The most exciting outcome of this work is that the supplementation
of vitamin E to the dog's diet can maintain the blood levels at
sufficiently
high values to stop the disease in its tracks.

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Natural Eye Care:
A Comprehensive Manual for Practitioners of Oriental Medicine
by Marc Grossman, O.D., L.Ac, and Michael Edson, M.S., L.Ac.
Pub. Visionworksusa, Inc., 2002, 230 pp., $39.95

CATARACTS

<snip>

Though I recommend cataract surgery to my patients with severe
vision loss, I believe that a cataract is a symptom of an underlying
condition. It signals that the natural processes of your body are
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into the eyes and waste products out of the eyes has been
compromised.

Treating the underlying condition that causes the cataract is vital.
Even people preparing for cataract surgery should seek to improve
their overall health before they go through this invasive procedure.
Because cataracts progress slowly over many years, there is often
time for preventive measures to work quite successfully.
Through nutritional and other complementary medical treatments,
it is possible to slow and even reverse the growth of cataracts.

There are many CASE HISTORIES of CURING cataracts by
using eucalyptus honey as per Dr. Pitcairn's instructons.

An optimal potency multivitamin is an important foundation of any
cataract prevention program. The following describes the role of some
of the essential nutrients in treating cataracts.

* Vitamin C: We have long known that Vitamin C can both
prevent and heal cataracts. The normal, healthy lens contains
a higher level of Vitamin C than any other body organ except
the adrenal glands. When cataracts are forming, however, the
Vitamin C level in the lens is very low. Similarly, the Vitamin
C level in the aqueous humor, which supplies nutrition to the
lens, is also low when cataracts are forming.

This reduction in Vitamin C is due to the eye's impaired ability to
secrete Vitamin C into the aqueous humor and the body's overall
Vitamin C deficiency.

* Bioflavinoids: Bioflavinoids, such as quercetin and rutin, are
important antioxidants. They are synergistic with Vitamin C, meaning
they need each other to work efficiently. Quercetin seems to be the
most effective bioflavinoid in the prevention of cataracts. We
recommend 1,000 mg per day.

* Glutathione: Low levels of glutathione are found in almost
every
person with senile cataracts. Glutathione is considered the most
important antioxidant made by the body and is integrally involved in
maintaining good vision. Glutathione is composed of three amino
acids:
cysteine, glycine and glutamic acid. Several nutrients can help
increase glutathione levels, including N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC),
alpha-lipoic acid, Vitamin C, Vitamin B2, Vitamin B6, selenium and
zinc.

* Alpha-lipoic acid: Alpha-lipoic acid has incredible benefits
for
healthy eye function. Dr. Lester Packer of the University of
California
at Berkeley has published important research on the ability of this
antioxidant to halt complications resulting from blood sugar
imbalances
and hardening of the lens.

Dr. Packer's research has confirmed that oxidative damage results
in cataract formation, and that increasing antioxidants,
particularly
alpha-lipoic acid, can help prevent or stop cataract formation. Other
research has demonstrated alpha-lipoic acid's ability to protect the
lens in newborn rats subjected to hardening and opaqueing substances.
Healthy Tips

> (still doesn't kill them),

Hey diddler? Can you SPELL "I-M-B-I-C-I-L-E"?

> Hereditary renal failure is well known in back yard bred
> dogs and puppy molls, but the SHOW bred elkhounds
> have a handle on it and is rarely seen any more.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHA~~~!!!

> Backyard bred and puppy mill elkhounds

Like your own GENETIC DEFECTIVE
backyard bred ElkHOWENDS, diddler?:

"Tuck is and has been fighting Pano and HOD since
5 days AFTER his distemper shot. (I had it done at
humane society vaccine clinic) My vet recommends the
distemper shot being given separately. yes,it takes
another trip to the vet.

The distemper shot is well known forcausing vaccine
reactions and even auto-immune response. (well thats
what vaccines DO..is kickin the auto-immune system)

But over loading an immune system can cause unwanted
reactions. In Tuck,it took the form of HOD/PANO.

There has to be some genetic predisposition to auto-immune
response as well. Tuck's Daddy had bad food allergies. (an
auto-immune response) and that should have alerted me toa
predisposition.

But I didn't realize the distemper shot would set off a
change of reactions that will last for one to two years.

My vet says, NEXT year, to be sure to re-vaccinate him with
the same distemper company that manufactured the distemper
shot that he recieved that caused the problem. Make sure he
recieves the distemper shot SEPARATELY from the rest.

Part of his treatment protocal is toFeed him large breed
puppy food (even though he is not a large breed dog) to
slow his growth.

So yes. in answer to your question, I have experienced a
reaction to the distemper shot. Or my dog has.. It's not
the same reaction as you are describing. But yes, I have."

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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!

> frequently die between age one and age three because of it.

CITES PLEASE, diddler?

> IF YOU WANT AN ELKHOUND.. you DO
> want a SHOW BRED ONE, for this reason.

Oh? Like YOUR SHOWE BRED ElkHOWENDS, diddler?

> Cancer seems to start getting them between 10-18. Those
> living over 18 just seem to have everything let go at once in
> systemic organ failure. Rarely are they bothered by ear infections.
> If one thing kills them more than anything, it's their shedding.

But of curse! Shedding is the #1 killer of backyard bred ElkHOWENDS!

> More elkhounds end up in shelters simply
> because the owners get fedd up with hair.

Oh, THAT'S on accHOWENTA EXXXCESSIVE SHEDDING
is CAUSED BY STRESS from SHOWE DOG TRAININ <{}: ~ ) >

> And looking at overweight OBESE dogs, and complaining
> that the dog has a poor appetite, because it only eats a fraction
> of what the bag recommends.

ALL commercial dog food is GARBAGE.

> I feed Tuck (52 pounds), Reka (48 pounds) a half a cup of food
> a day. The beagle (couch potato 22 pounds) takes a cup and a half.
> The general wisdomn with Elkhounds is.. Don't feed em. They dont
> tolerate much food without blimping up.

That's SHEER IDIOCY.

> And yes, the DREAM TEAM were all 4 Elkhounds.
> The show in Silver Spring Maryland will also be an
> Elkhound featured Basketball team.

DIDDY AND THE DOBERMAN WHO
BLED TOO MUCH for her OWN GOOD:

> It's explained on the AKC website. And I'm very sorry to
> hear this. I too had a dog that I wanted to finish

Oh, here's one you finished alright, you finished her real
good because she made you late for work after you cut her
ears off.

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0400
From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Organization: bright.net Ohio

> Patch wrote:
> There is a detailed explanation of the pain side of things
> in the report I mentioned to Lone. If I can get the new
> lead for my scanner [hopefully today], would you like me to
> e-mail it to you so you have the veterinary
> view of it ?

If someone crops ears, I feel it's for hygenic methods
as well as aesthetics. I'm not saying cropping is not
painful, taking two dobermans through cropping (one with
von Willebrawns.. and THAT was ugly -- and I finally put her
to sleep at one year old because I kept coming home from
work finding my house in a bloodbath every time I came home
from work, and was told I was going to get fired for
absentee if I continued to miss work in the afternoons after
coming home for lunch, and having to run the dog to the vet.

The mental stress of dealing with such a dog was unreal,
dealing with the unknowns of what she was going to do next
(tear a nail, puncture herself, bruise herself.. the
emergencies she created for herself were unreal) She also
kept catchingher dew claws on things, and I finally had them
removed.
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Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message

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> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV.1684@twister.nyroc.rr.com: "graham
> fandango!" <gmey...@maine.rr.com> whittled the following words:

> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal shelter 5 years
> ago. its pretty clear he was abused in some form before he ended up in
> the shelter; when ever i reach for something, like the tv remote, too
> quickly he flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor and
> hides under the bed.

I have one too. I don't know her past history,or her age. I use an
antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very quiet, until I take
it
off. It doesn't train her not to bark, because she barks when the
collar is
off. (beagles "Do that")

There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't bark... just
in
case.I'd supervise the first time you try it, because I've heard of
some
dogs barking, and going so spazzy over them that they died.
I really don't think you are going to train a dog that age,
especially a
beagle, NOT to bark.

I see your options as being:

1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will

probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving

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BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reductioon,
it went something like this with our 11 month old
puppy "Yoshi"

Yoshi: Bark, bark,

us: HUSH Youshi

Yoshi Bark, bark......................

us: Hush Youshi

Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................

it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking

We decided to try the Jerry method:

Yoshi: BARK, BARK

US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?

Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them

Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that

I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this

Thanks Jerry

ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much.
--
Best Regards,

Estel J. Hines

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AND LIKE THIS:

"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message

news:2f66e35d.0407302331.1f18b8c6@posting.google.com...

Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male

Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy Wizard info,
so I haven't actually started to train yet.

Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey was going
balisstic. I calmly go to the window to see who it is,
and off-handly say Good Boy, It's a stranger, Good Boy.

Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look, and came
and sat beside my feet!

OMG, I could not believe it!

I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)

Brandy

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AND LIKE THIS:

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before. I never
trained or owned a dog before this year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded with
Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to stop barking
in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the whole
time we had him, about 10 months, but his earlier life is
unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30 minutes
when he suddenly "got it". After that he came to me
every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him not to bark.
If he now starts to bark, I go to the door or window, say
"Good Boy, its' alright" and he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans out again to
reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal and he is very
eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on, I have to
believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence

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"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message

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> in thread news:XxUDd.1053$ef6.586@fe39.usenetserver.com:
> "Sarah" <glyce...@alltel.net> whittled the following words:
> > Anyone have any suggestions for a golden (1yr old)
> > who won't stop retrieving my son's toys, especially
> > stuffed animals.

> I have an elkhound that does this all day long.
> I simply take it from her, put it on my desk,
> and give her a cookie and tell her "THANK YOU"
> She never stops either ;)

IOW, you got THE SAME PROBLEM and NO METHOD,
eh diddler?

> I have a 12 week old puppy, he's retrieving, tracking
> (limited), getting slippers for me, I play scent games
> with him (the old shell game, treat under cups game),
> He's learning to search for toys, and knows they are
> worth far more when redeemed to me,

Yeah:

"As a result, my desk top looks like a disaster area,

Duh? You need a EXXXCUSE?

"and when I can't find my monitor any more, I take a
huge sweep of the arm and knock them all on the floor."

And do it again...

"Then she goes to work picking them all up again,
insuring that NOTHING ever touches the floor."

Yeah...

"I feel blessed."

INDEEDY!

"I used to have TWO compulsive retrieving elkhounds"

You mean you COULDN'T STOP THEM from STEALIN STUFF.

"working overtime!"

IN FACT, you CAN'T STOP THEM.

That's what the OP wanted to learn HOWE to do, diddler.

REMEMBER?

"Ahhhh for those days again!"

You been takin your anti psychotic medications, diddler?

"I want the original back!"

You got it, diddler.

"A full desk means I'm loved."

No, a full desk means your dogs are hyperactive
and obsessive compulsively bringin you stuff on
accHOWENT of YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE
TO TRAIN THEM NOT TO.

> than they are as treasures hidden under a bed.

OR maybe like your vet's office kitty locked in a crate?

> We spend time working on heeling, sits, downs, prolonging
> the stay, stand for exam, and walking in the woods off leash,
> introducing him to wildlife, so that he doesn't have such
> intense curiosity that he forgets to listen.

Oh! You mean like your "TRACKING" dog Danny?
You had to surgically sexually mutilate IT to stop IT
from "gettin distracted" in the field from his
"TRACKIN WORK". REMEMBER diddler?

> I take him out in the barnyard aand allow him to chase
> chickens, and the rabbits (on a cord) so that I can check
> him,

You mean jerk and choke IT, don't you, diddler.

> and teach him "LEAVE IT" and am able to re-enforce it.

Ahhh! THAT'S HOWE COME dogs STEAL STUFF when
YOU AIN'T THERE to JERK an CHOKE them <{); ~ ) >

> He can be in full pursuit, and when I yell
> "LEAVE IT" he instantly stops chase.

But YOU CAN'T TRAIN IT NOT TO DO THAT in the first place!

> The barnyard has interesting smells and
> tastes, "leave it" becomes useful.

You mean, when you CAN'T TRAIN YOUR OWN DOG
NOT TO DO STUFF IT SHOULDN'T DO, ain't THAT
correct, diddler?

> He has a very reliable "Leave it" and recall.

So long as you're ABLE TO HURT HIM when he don't listen.

> Becaause he does..

INDEED?

> at 12 weeks, he's already reliable off leash.

Yeah, THAT'S NORMAL for a PUPPY. Wait till IT
is eight months old, you'll NEVER be able to CON-
TROLL IT witHOWET your SHOCK COLLAR <{); ~ ) >

> He's met many strange dogs, and knows to stand
> steady or come to me, if other dogs rush him.

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> I'm saying this, because at 12 weeks, he's already
> grasped these skills. I've turned his desire to play
> chase me (which stealing the slippers is a form of)
> into bring to me. I've become his personal entertainment
> director.

You're a MENTAL CASE diddler.

> If a puppy of 12 weeks can grasp these things,

You mean SHOES and barnyard chickens, diddler?

> a dog that is already picking up objects, can be
> reversed in a short time to bring them to you instead.

That so? You mean by throwin a can of pennies
at IT while "wavin a stinkin dead macrel under
his nose withHOWET LETTIN HIM SEE IT", diddler?

> Your dog is obviously hungry for some sort of game
> and mental stimulation. TRAIN him, and satiate that
> desire, and redirect that intelligence to be beneficial
> and entertaining to you both (as well as useful to you).

The original poster was lookin to TRAIN HIS DOG NOT TO
STEAL SHOES, not develop a GAME to enterTRAIN hisself.

> He's asking for mental stimulation. Give it to him, on
> YOUR terms. He sounds like a dog that has a lot going
> for him, with a lot to offer.

Oh? Like that DEAD DOG you shot for eatin garbage, diddler?

From: diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Re: cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse?
Date: 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST

Lyn wrote:

> You know I'm a cat abuser because I let my cat out.

> > Alison

> Well, it totally depends upon where you live, as to
> whether or not doing so is in the best interest of your
> animal. Abuser isn't a term I would use, and I am a "cat
> group" regular.

Here it would be abuse. If you like your cat you keep it
home. I run a state authorized and monitored nuisance
animal trapline. This morning there was a cat in a snare.
Ordinarily, an animal caught in a snare can be released
unharmed. One of the animals I am targeting is coyotes
(and the complaint was that coyotes were killing area cats)
Duh.. If your cats are becoming lunch for wild animals, to
me .. It makes sense to keep your cats in where they can't
become lunch.. whatever.

Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It leaped,
and tangled itself, and most certainly strangulated it's
intestines. It had the snare pulled tight down to the
diameter of a dime (just large enough to encircle the
spine) around the waist area. This cats snarled, and
attacked. Trying to extricate this cat was exceedingly
difficult, not to mention dangerous. Because I feared
damage to the intestines and death of the gut, I imagined
this cat was not likely to survive.

It would have been much simpler to dispatch the
unfortunate cat and take out the dead body. Instead,
this cat wore a collar. it deserved a chance, and the
owner deserved closure. (no id on the collar) .
It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be
taken to the vet for examination. I will probably
never know if this particular cat survives the
experience or not.

People in the area were aware that trapping was being
done and apparently still let their cats run free, both
endangered by the traps and by the coyotes being targeted
that are causing a problem with their cat population.
Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not have
tried to release this hostile cat. Releasing it may not have
been a kindness, but then... cats weren't supposed to be
attracted to this type of trap, in this position, and then
they weren't supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this
situation. If you like your pet, you keep them home.

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HOWEDY diddler,

diddy wrote:
> in thread news:1121713526.861426.90550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> lucyaa...@claque.net whittled the following words:

> > Any nonviolent method would do, I believe. Jerry's method
> > worked so well with my strong-willed puppy because it was
> > one that managed to capture his attention and offer him
> > something more rewarding than the bad things he enjoyed so
> > much doing.

Yeah, kinda like HOWE HOWER DOG LOVERS motivate
their dogs to be MOORE REWARDED by GETTIN JERKED
CHOKED and SHOCKED every time they DO the BAD BEHAVIOR.

> > Lucy

> Different kind of dog.

Good point, diddler. A dog is a dog.

> I'm not saying Jerry's "methods"[tm] are bad.

IMAGINE? Seems you PREFER choking and shocking.

> They are methods that have been used by very
> many trainers for a very long time.

That so, diddler? CITES PLEASE?

> And they DO work,

INDEED. IN FACT, The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD REPORT CURING
ALL temperament and behavior problems for ALL DOGS and ALL HANDLERS
in ALL fields BAR NONE, diddler, you freakin retard.

> and they do work on a lot of dogs.

EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS
WORK ON ALL CRITTERS, diddler.

> And they worked before Jerry ever dreamed of writing them down.

You mean PLAGIARIZED from "MANY
TRAINERS for a very long time."

CITES PLEASE, diddler?

> They worked before the internet.

INDEEDY. But not for "MANY TRAINERS FOR A VERY
LONG TIME" on accHOWENT of THERE AIN'T NO OTHER
TRAINERS EVER who've USED The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual EXXXCEPT
Jerry's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students who
REPORT their 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT
SUCCESS RIGHT HERE, JUST LIKE HOWE Lucy done.

And they ALL GET THE SAME RESPONSE from you DOG
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> There are now better methods for many of the
> issues that he addresses.

That so? You mean like choking and shocking someMOORE, diddler?

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> And there is NO method that works for every dog.

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