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From: "Richard Dawkins" Subject: Re: ATHEISM IS DETRIMENTAL TO SOCIETY Date: 10 Oct 2005 Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife

"bill ramsay" <bill_dot_ramsay_at_clear_dot_net_dot_nz> wrote in message news:thsjk1lshjlo3utgcht9lm14jicms6elk8@4ax.com... > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:45:20 -0700, "Richard Dawkins" > <Richard_Dawk...@Hell.com> wrote: >>"bill ramsay" <bill_dot_ramsay_at_clear_dot_net_dot_nz> wrote in message >>news:ukmhk1t6g36ecppqaihoim0nvcljnbvqa5@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:47:38 -0700, "Richard Dawkins" >>> <Richard_Dawk...@Hell.com> wrote: >>>>"bill ramsay" <bill_dot_ramsay_at_clear_dot_net_dot_nz> wrote in message >>>>news:adaek1dbgjmepakrq3je4tvcvl3089g50g@4ax.com... >>>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:40:19 -0700, "Richard Dawkins" >>>>> <Richard_Dawk...@Hell.com> wrote: >>>>>>"bill ramsay" <bill_dot_ramsay_at_clear_dot_net_dot_nz> wrote in >>>>>>message >>>>>>news:naubk118mhjkhp0pf71hckapgnf9406l6d@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:57:46 -0700, "Richard Dawkins" >>>>>>> <Richard_Dawk...@Hell.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>"bill ramsay" <bill_dot_ramsay_at_clear_dot_net_dot_nz> wrote in >>>>>>>>message >>>>>>>>news:6aj9k1lq8ouqu38qhthg3p3s774bb2j5ja@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:18:05 -0700, "Richard Dawkins" >>>>>>>>> <Richard_Dawk...@Hell.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>ATHEISM IS DETRIMENTAL TO SOCIETY >>>>>>>>>>Try hard, if you will, to perceive the worth of atheism and if you >>>>>>>>>>make >>>>>>>>>>a >>>>>>>>>>proper assessment of its worth to any portion of mankind, it will >>>>>>>>>>be >>>>>>>>>>revealed to you that atheism is a demonic ideology or religion >>>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>>utterly worthless, to say the least. It darkens the minds of its >>>>>>>>>>subjects >>>>>>>>>>and bring curses upon every facet of human life. >>>>>>>>> How can athiesm be demonic? surely that is casting it in your >>>>>>>>> light? >>>>>>>>Statistically atheism has kille the equivelant of 1 9/11 every day >>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>10 >>>>>>>>years. >>>>>>>>That is a know fact that any google search will reveal. >>>>>>>>> look sunshine, morals do not come from religion, they come from >>>>>>>>> society, and they reflect the society that they come from. I know >>>>>>>>> that sounds a bit catch 22 ish, but its just the way it is. >>>>>>>>Morals come from the Bible cloudy >>>>>>>>The only catch 22 is in your own head. >>>>>>> no they don't, morals come from society because it makes for a >>>>>>> world >>>>>>> so that everyone can rub along. >>>>>>Morals come from the Bible whether you like it or not. >>>>>>You can hum and haw till the stars burn out but in the end long after >>>>>>your >>>>>>death there is still Jesus. >>>>> morals do not come from the bible. >>>>> from my understanding other countries, continents even, had people >>>>> living in them before any chrisitanity go to them, and they are just >>>>> as 'moral' as anyone else, >>>>Ummmm........can you give me a citation or two? >>>>Second request. >>>>None forthcoming. >>>>Must disregard as deceptive attempts on your part. >>> Look for your self, but the pacific islands seem to be a peaceful >>> place, similary, Nepal [altho the royal family recently managed to >>> slaughter themselves]. I don't know, how about pre-raj india, etcl, >>I notice you never disputed my assertation that your first claim regarding >>aborigines and American Indians is false. > There was no need, it <Snip> Then it is false >>Why don't you address this first before I methodically tear apart your >>second claim. > see above. >>Now be a good little God hater and stop attempting to switch topics at the >>speed of sound. > who's switching topics, I am trying to follow your ramble. If you > look carefully, you have jumped several lines to the bit below. talk > about rambling. I notice you never disputed my assertation that your first claim regarding aborigines and American Indians is false. >>> You seem to like asking questions then answering them yourself, why >>> is that, hearing voices again? Perhaps you and Mr. Bush so go into a >>> Vulcan mind meld. >>Where have I done that? >>Can you provide a citation? >>I am simply responding to tour blather but you already know this. >>>>> so where do asians get their morals from, or pre-european aborigines, >>>>> native americans? >>>>Asians believe in a divine intelligence. >>>>pre-European aborigines ate their dead to become one with them and >>>>practiced >>>>the most unholy crap. >>>>Native Americans believe in a divine creator. >>>>Your ignorance is beginning to bore me tremendously. >>> Ah-ha, but you said that morals came from the bible. I draw you >>> attention to the following which just a few lines above this very spot >>Ah-ha but morals do come from the Bible! >>Morals also come from believing in a divine creator which is what the >>bible >>is talking about. >>Morals in western society come from belief in the Bible. >>Can you rationally dispute that? > I do dispute that, when was the bible written?, several centures > after CE, if my memory serves. Morals just did not appear at the time > the bible was written. Pre christian romans, greeks, egyptians had > morals, too you know. Their influence in europe, esp the romans was > widespread. Their influence was massive. Get your damn time line straight you moron. The 10 commandments gave western civilization morals, now are you disputing that? >>> <quote> >><snip> >>>>>>of course there are abberations, but >>>>>>> they don't last. >>>>>>Atheism is an abbertaion iof the soul. >>>>>>You shall not last. >>>>> you are an idiot, I shall last just as long as anyone else. what is >>>>> this fear that you have? why are you so scared of athiests? >>>>Your are a fool as you don't know how long it will be before God cuts >>>>your >>>>tiny little string and lets you fall. >>> You seem to be stuck in a bit of a groove here. >>Like a thousand other witless troglodytes before you, you need to grasp >>the >>concept of my infinite dominance over you.Try to apply your second-rate >>intellect to the study. > there is no infinte dominance, this is a word play that you have just > created and as such is meaningless. I'm not interested in fantasy, > funnily enough I don't like science fiction either. Lacks reality for > me. As does your god myths. Word play? Not in the least bit. You need to shore up on your facts and dates and stop being diishonest by eluding questions. >>>>What is this false presumption you have that I have any fear, let alone >>>>of >>>>atheists? >>> Why do you fear athiests? It is very self evidence by you >>> vituperative spleen eruptions that you are very keen on. Just glance >>> upwards and at any other thread that you participate in. Go on, just >>> look! >>I think you've knocked-over one-too-many wallplates with your head, Dolt. >>I >>suggest you reread your copy of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Psychology" >>and study what it says about projection. Then reread what you wrote about >>having a "hateful and spiteful personality." Now, does the chapter on >>projection make sense? If you were trying to intimidate me, you need to >>re-think your attack strategy. > Yes I am stuck at the Section that starts R, many pages in there, all > of them too thick. Like your head right? > I really don't care what you think vis a vis the intimidation stakes, > this is a complete figment of your imagination. > I am really enjoying myself in annoying you you silly person who does > not have an original thought. I could care less what you enjoy or not you fool. You've had your chance. If that's all the 3rd grade drivel you are capable of repeating, may those I warned you about take their shots at will, including me. Oh yeah. It might be wise to say now if you're a kid of 15 or so. Some may take pity. >>>>What is this hatred of God that you have that keeps you here? >>> I don't have a hatred of god, how can you hate something that does >>> not exist? You seem to be easily confused, allow me >>> to-say-this-slowly. You are in denial. Typical God-Hating militant weak atheist. >>> I think that you are a complete waste of space, and that the nonsense >>> that you spout is dan-ger-ous. And that you need to be challenged at >>> every stage. Otherwise I-D-I-O-T-S like you will influence other weak >>> minded idiots, and look where that got us in the past. >>Why are you still here God-Hater? >>Why would anyone want to waste time on something they don't believe in. >>~smiles~ > Can't answer or won't answer. I'll answer for you again. You are here because you hate your creator and would rather spit in his eye than acknowledge his existence. That gives you and your family over to a hedonistic lifestyle that has no accountability to a higher authority. >>>>Why arent you over at the unicorn or wiccan newsgroups spitting at them? >>>>I'll tell you why. >>>>It's because you HATE GOD! >>>>Your very presence here establishes that as an immutabke fact. >>>>You fool no one. >>> Deary me again, repeating crap does not make it into scent, kindly >>> cease and desist. Does it make you feel better, repeating crap? But you keep evading the answer? Why is that? What are you afraid of? >>If there is a better example of a self-loathing insignificant person than >>you, I've yet to observe the pitiful creature.So with that being said,when >>are you going to give your mouth a turn and close that other babbling hole >>between your flapping jaws?" Now scram, before I scare you with some big >>words, > This is brilliant, really got your tits in a tangle now haven't you? Beggars are well-matched with givers. Givers with other givers, and Beggars with other Beggars, never work. You, being a psychotic, are a pathological beggar. When you have taken all of substance and emotional value from the target of your pathology, you look for further self-empowerment by attempting to take your victim's sense of self-esteem and his happiness, too. Of course, you're not a "bitch": you're troubled with a pathological mental illness. The stylish label of 'bitch' merely covers a multitude of pathetic sins. Your only valid use to humanity is as a part-time sex-partner for other psychotics. Outside of that tapered scope, only the inexperienced or the self-destructive would lay a hand on you. So, I hope you're good-looking and keep your body in shape, as the heavy and the otherwise unsightly tend to have a narrow scope as sex-partners. And speaking of narrow, how about shaving your eyebrows to create the appearance of a small gap between your narrow-set, beady cross-eyes? >>>>>>Just as Xtian church hijacked pagan festivals and >>>>>>> called them christmas and easter, they similarly hijacked 'morals' >>>>>>> and claimed them for there own. so don't kid yourself. >>>>>>Citations? >>>>>>Who are you trying to kid? >>>>> Christmas was a pagan festival celebrating the middle of winter, >>>>> easter as a spring rite celebrating the awakening of nature after the >>>>> hibernation of winter, are you completey stupid? >>>>Wrong, >>>>Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ. >>>>No matter which way you attempt to twist the holy holiday it still comes >>>>out >>>>clean. >>>>Go and dirty up your kids minds with that garbage. >>>>If your lucky they won't grow up to be self centered murderous heathens. >>> Au contraire, the celebration that christians adopted was already in >>> place, in europe they used to burn a Yule log, and even in your >>> christmas cards, you will see references to YULETIDE. It was a >>> celebration that winter was at its worst. After all, in the Northern >>> hemisphere the shortest day is the 22nd of December. >>Citations again?? > Do a search on YULETIDE, and see for yourself. I did a search for CHRISTMAS and it's nowhere to be found. >>> One of the best ways to spread 'good news' to others is to adopt their >>> customs and practices and 'spangle' it up a bit. That's exactly what >>> the early christians did in 'pagan' europe to get their message spread >>> around. Good marketing. >>Citations again?? > go and look for yourself, it's relatively easy, do i have to all > your thinking for you? So you have no citations to back up your claims again. >>> My boys are little darlings, they know how to treat others well, >>> look you in the eye when talking to you, and have excellent manners. >>> My grandmother told me something when I was very young, something >>> that I have passed on to others, and it is this: "politness costs >>> nothing'. And that is very true. Courtesy and good manners are worth >>> their weight in gold. of course you, if you are well mannered at >>> all, do it out of fear. I, on the other hand, do it out of >>> kindness. >>After reading a few of your posts I suspect you have a brown belt in >>mental >>masturbation and are quite harmless.You are clearly in love with me >>judging >>from your latest post humps and have adopted a thin veneer of mock bravado >>and contempt to disguise your imbecilic attempts at being logical. > Not at all, I think that you are a complete dickhead, and I am > getting enjoyment reading your nonsense whilst you make a fool of > yourself. *sigh*...Are these real questions, or are are you simply trying to avoid the discussion with a feeble Red Herring? In the first case, I'm not your instructor, I'm not certified to teach Special Education. In the second, You've failed, but I'll indulge you in it once last time. >>>>>>>>> I don't need some arsehole in a pulpit to tell me what's right and >>>>>>>>> wrong, neither to I need to fear your god so that I will be kept >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the straight and narrow. >>>>>>>>Nobodys preaching to you willy,why are you in Christian newsgroups? >>>>>>>>I'll tell you why. >>>>>>>>It's because you hate God with a fervor and would rather spit in his >>>>>>>>eye >>>>>>>>than follow him. >>>>>>> you assume too much. I can, and do roam the usenet all the time. >>>>>>> that is one of the benefits of the internet. You want a little >>>>>>> quiet >>>>>>> community of nodding donkeys to nod along with you. >>>>>>You assume so little. >>>>>>So why are'nt you ranting over at the pink unicorn group? >>>>>>I'll tell you why again. >>>>>>It's because you hate God with a demonic fervor and that is what >>>>>>brings >>>>>>you >>>>>>here. >>>>> pary tell, what's the pink unicorn group? >>>>Pray tell why are you still here? ~smiles~ >>> wit? so what is the pink unicorn goup, you fail to answer. >>...I can sense a powerful protective force field of dense stupidity and >>denial surrounding you, such that I doubt you could tell your ass from >>your >>elbow if had name tags on each of them. >>Once again if you don't believe in your creeator then why do you expend >>undue amounts of energy attacking him. >>It seems odd from a more intelligent introspective such as my own. >>I don't believe in fairies yet I don't attack those that do. >>If I did attack then it would simply mean that I hate fairies and those >>that >>believe in them >>If God posed no threat then I would logically not give him a second >>thought >>(practical atheism) >>You on the other hand hate God (militant-atheism) >>Now before we graduate to the next class tell us pray >>tell..............Why >>do you attack something that you claim you don't believe in? > I am not attacking your god, I am attacking the silly messages that > you and your ilk promulgate. Firstly, I do not ridicule anyone who seeks my help. Such a suggestion is not only objectionable to my morals, but libelous of my superior character. Secondly, people seek my counsel because of my superior insight, empathy, and no-nonsense solutions; not because they "have nothing better to do with their days." Thusly, by your defective analysis, you have demonstrated why you are unqualified to do this responsible task. >>>>> I don't hate god, for she does not exist, I enjoy reading the stuff >>>>> that dickheads like you put here. >>>>> what makes you so sure, why can't you let people be? >>>>The more yopu lament your crap the more of a bozo you turn out to be. >>> Bozo, how original, I wish I had thought of that! >>>>If you want to hate God (him) then go and do it somewhere else. >>> As I have said before, I don't hate god, Snip Sorry but you are a liar. That is why you are here? It's your belief in God which drives you to relentlessly attack Him. It's safe to say at this point that the subject of God poses a huge threat to your existence,and rightly so. Dying in your state of being is not something for the faint of heart to wonder about. >>>>Try the satanist newsgroup. >>>>Although they will give you an unholy ass kicking because they even >>>>believe >>>>in the presence and divinity of God. >>> really? then they are just as stupid as you then. >>>>Now, please, do everyone a favor and either think of something >>>>intelligent >>>>to say, or don't say it at all. Or just be as stupid as everyone is >>>>convinced you are, and flame me again. I do so love publicly >>>>humiliating >>>>morons on this newsgroup. >>> Humilation, you have got to be kidding? What are you on these days? >>Read this slowly and pay careful attention: try to find better >>insults.Find >>the logoff button Take a look. No, I said to the left; not under your >>desk. >>Look again. See it now? Good! Now, click it. . If the intellectual effort >>makes you feel faint, get an adult to give you instructions using >>multicolored pictograms and large animated letters of the alphabet. > that's a big sentence for your isn't it? Your high regard of me is as suitable as your self-deprecation. However, I am concerned by your overuse of the personal pronoun "I". Fantasizing must not have the author as the subject. I couldn't possibly have anyone around me who, because of pathological self-indulgence, was more interested in themselves than in me - remember that in future communication! >>>>>>> I have no hatred for something that does not exist. I just get >>>>>>> exasperated by the nonsense that folks such as you come out with. I >>>>>>> think that it is the irrationality of it all. >>>>>>Then why are you trolling Christian newsgroups? >>>>>>You have the DOn Quioxte syndrome I see.......... ~smiles~ >>>>> I am not trolling, i never start anything here, i just reply to >>>>> others, only spasmodically, altho of late i have posted quite a few >>>>> more here, basically I was bored for a couple of nights. >>>>Well, there went my hope that the rest of this flame was intelligent. >>>>Indeed you are a spasmodic. >>>>You hate God willy and that is why you are here responding to others >>>>posts. >>> As I said, let me use an epithet here, numbnuts, I only respond to >>> other posts. I don't start any of these things, I think that it is >>> hilarous that you guys, there is an assumption that it is not one of >>> you using multiple identies, get so bent out of shape. >>You hate God very much I see. >>>>>>>>>>The two basic responsibilities every person of mankind have are to >>>>>>>>>>love >>>>>>>>>>God >>>>>>>>>>more than all else and to love mankind. Atheism accomplishes >>>>>>>>>>neither >>>>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>these responsibilities. It blasphemes against God and brings harm >>>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>death >>>>>>>>>>upon mankind. >>>>>>>>> absolure bullshit. of course atheism does not love god, for >>>>>>>>> athiests >>>>>>>>> god does not exist. the rest of your para is utter tripe. self >>>>>>>>> congratulatory tripe at that. >>>>>>>>Here's why atheism is always eventually demonic in its fury against >>>>>>>>its >>>>>>>>own >>>>>>>>ctizens: >>>>>>>>http://www.marysremnant.org/Friends/DBK/BKAthKills.html >>>>>>> yawn. >>>>>>If your bored then why are you in this thread? >>>>>>Why don't you head over to the pink unicorn newsgroups and rant at >>>>>>them? >>>>> I have no idea what this pink thing is you keep rambling about >>>>Anyone with half a brain cell could figure that you actually never read >>>>my >>>>post before jumping in and flaming me. Are you really that desperate for >>>>attention still? It's truly pathetic how bitter you are still. You >>>>should >>>>be >>>>kicked off of the www, for many reasons, mainly, that you are an >>>>unbalanced >>>>psycho. >>> flaming dear boy? I think you jest. Why are still here in Christian newsgroups God-Hater? >>>>>>>>>>Atheists are not fit to be parents; they are not fit to be >>>>>>>>>>employed >>>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>>any >>>>>>>>>>portion of any society; they are not fit to be any kind of leaders >>>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>>any >>>>>>>>>>society, nor are they fit to serve in any area of public trust. >>>>>>>>>>Atheism >>>>>>>>>>makes every person who embraces it unfit for any good work. >>>>>>>>> you're a lunatic. I have two boys, who are the most nicely >>>>>>>>> mannered >>>>>>>>> young men that you could hope to meet. I regualry get compliments >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> shop and restaurant staff on how well mannered they are. >>>>>>>>You ar a liar. >>>>>>>>Prove it. >>>>>>> I am not a liar. How would you know you nasty piece of filth. >>>>>>You are a huge bullshitter,believe me I know. >>>>>>I smell you God haters from a mile away. >>>>> Oh contraire, my boys are very well mannered, kind to others. They >>>>> say please and thank you, and know how to behave themselves in >>>>> public. why, because my ex and I brought them up like that, no >>>>> injunctions to a higher authority to behave or else! >>>>>>> What you want witness statements now? >>>>>>The above is totally incoherent. >>>>>>>>>>Atheists are not even fit to live. They have forfeited the right >>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>life >>>>>>>>>>by >>>>>>>>>>virtue of being unfit for any good thing. >>>>>>>>> you have just qualified for you 'i am a complete lunatic' >>>>>>>>> certifcate. >>>>>>>>> not taking your medication these days, how's the frothing at the >>>>>>>>> mouth? >>>>>>Truth hurts huh? >>>>> It would if it was the truth, you just froth at the mouth. My,my,coming to pieces are we "-) >>>>>>>>>>The decline or absence of morals in any society can be traced to >>>>>>>>>>atheism >>>>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>>>the like. All the problems in every facet of society the world >>>>>>>>>>over >>>>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>>>be >>>>>>>>>>traced to atheism, or denial of God and disobedience to him. The >>>>>>>>>>rapid >>>>>>>>>>increase in crime the world over can be traced to the same. >>>>>>>>>>Atheism >>>>>>>>>>has >>>>>>>>>>nothing good to offer any society. >>>>>>>>> there is no connection between atheism and morals, it's jsut a >>>>>>>>> snippy >>>>>>>>> superior tone that fundie loonies such as yourself like to adapt. >>>>>>>>> btw, there is no god either. >>>>>>>>>>Atheism is so heinous and does so much harm that there is >>>>>>>>>>desperate >>>>>>>>>>need >>>>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>>>legislation against it. It is not an ideology, philosophy or >>>>>>>>>>demonic >>>>>>>>>>religion which should be allowed to exist and flourish in any >>>>>>>>>>society. >>>>>>>>>>Every >>>>>>>>>>atheist should be regarded as high criminals by all governments >>>>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>>>right to live on the earth. >>>>>>>>> this is getting boring, >>>>>>>>Whenever the servers decide to crackle and pop.. I could care less.. >>>>>>>> That you've taken to being just another furious God Hater is not >>>>>>>> relevant >>>>>>>>to me. >>>>>>>>All in all, your effort sucks, and once you've turned tail and run >>>>>>>>away >>>>>>>>like >>>>>>>>all the rest, I won't remember you existed, but I think it's nice >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>you've tried to make a name for yourself by doing something you'd >>>>>>>>think >>>>>>>>would jump out and catch my attention. >>>>>>> I am not a furious god hater, after all she does not exist. your >>>>>>> pathetic attemps are just puerile. you should learn to grow up. >>>>>>> spouting lies repeatedly does not convert them into truths,. >>>>>>> kind regards >>>>>>> bill >>>>>>~And then it hit me again~ >>>>> Richard, >>>>> for if that is your name, why are you so nasty? what is it the >>>>> drives you to spout your vileness to all and sundry? >>>>> are you frightened of something? >>>>> kind regards >>>>> bill >>>>How did you ever graduate kindergarten? Everything about that paragraph >>>>was >>>>horrid. Rambeling on and saying little. >>> You are obviously visually incontent, read it again. I just posed the >>> question, why are you so nasty? Rambling has no 'e' by the way. >>> kiss kiss >>> Bill. >>Now scram, before I launch you into a state of depression that leads to >>you >>masturbating underneath your hospital bed at night. > Oh, what a hoot.There is nothing you can do to launch me into a state > of depression. Absolutely nothing. . > best regards, > Bill. Being an atheist is a state of chronic depression you lousy miscreant. ~smile~

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