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From: walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> Subject: 2004 Date: 27 Aug 2004 Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:08:50 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote: >J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >> And as for the spotlight, I do not seek it as you do, no. >> >> If I did seek it, why am I not world-famous? > > >Because you are not a very successful seeker? The desire for fame does not >necessarily equate to the achievement of it. Do you truly believe that I'm "seeking fame" in HERE? Get serious. However, once some of my short stories and my books are published, I probably WILL have fame, if only briefly. I don't seek it. If it comes, I will attempt to use it for God's glory, as does one whom I highly admire, one Kathi Lee Gifford. Another Christian I highly admire is one Dolly Parton. They could do worse with their fame, would you not agree? But I don't believe either sought it. If I had been truly seeking fame, I'd have pursued one of my most treasured gifts, acting. I chose to NOT pursue acting, for several reasons. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:23:51 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:57:27 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> done went >and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: > >>And then we Christians spend the rest >>of our lives ripping into each other because I'm not just like you. > > >then STOP ripping into other people like YOU do, Show me how. I'll eagerly follow your good example, if you ever decide to show me one. There's an old hymn I love. "Let others see Jesus in you." I look at your posts and I don't see Jesus. I see a demented, pathetic, arrogant, very angry, dangerous woman. Unfortunately you are MUCH better at PREACHING Christianity than you are at showing us by example. >mind your own >business, Show me how. You've been on my back for HOW LONG now? Am I supposed to be impressed and converted by your constant meddling and lying? and CAN the threats you are making to so many people. Live your life as you wish, and I'll do the same. You don't listen to anyone; LEAST of all me. Explain to me, then, why I should listen to you. You preach "Do as I say, not as I do." I do not follow that message. Jesus, on the other hand, taught by example. > >you want some respect? START SHOWING SOME. I'm doing the best I can. R U? When you get past your foaming at the mouth hatred of me, and you show me some respect, I promise to return it. I can't even get a sincere apology or repentance from you. jw > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:32:56 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:57:27 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:11:02 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:16:13 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:23:45 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:09:43 -0700, John Weatherly <johnw47@qwest.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:34:08 -0400, "Scout Lady" >>>>>><scoutlady@nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:iqfni05ggl3jqb32neus6o9gt33j2g3req@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Hmm......a quick check shows that on Nov 15, 2001 CB was using the email >>>>>>>> >address thewaythetruthandthelife@yahoo.com and posting through airnews. The >>>>>>>> >link goes to someone with an email address of CB@prayforme.com and on Nov >>>>>>>> >15,2001 that person was posting through compuserve. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the purpose for posting this tripe, I wonder? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>You wouldn't understand Elaine, it is called defending CB (even when I don't >>>>>>>always agree or get along with him) from another person falsely accusing >>>>>>>him. >>>>>>> >>>>>>You are apparently VERY choosy about whom you choose to defend, SL, as >>>>>>YOU falsely accuse NUMEROUS people yourself, such as me. >>>>>> >>>>>>And when others attack me falsely, and groundlessly, you remain >>>>>>silent. Does CB kiss your hind end and I don't? Is that it? >>>>>> >>>>>>God bless, and I'm still praying that you encounter the Christ of >>>>>>scripture (the One who taught immersion baptism for believers). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Is that a christian attitude? >>>> >>>>Is it a Christian attitude to pray that someone finds Christ as their >>>>savior? Absolutely. Is it Christian to point out someone's sins >>>>against yourself? Absolutely. >>>> >>>>If I don't tell you that you have offended me, how are you going to >>>>know to repent? >>> >>>Why don't you grow a thick skin? >> >>Why don't you let yours thin, so you can feel the pain you cause to >>others? > >Are you kidding?? >After the way you treat others in here you want a little kindness? Perhaps you failed to grasp that I am mentally ill, bi-polar to be precise. I am doing the best I can. When you attack me with claws and fangs, you may as well steal the cane from a blind man. jw >Look up "hypocrite" in your dictionary. >> >>As Kathi Lee Gifford put it so well, God went to ALL that trouble to >>make me just like I am, and you just like you are. He made BILLIONS >>of, each of us totally unique. And then we Christians spend the rest >>of our lives ripping into each other because I'm not just like you. >> >> >>>Why is it I am not easily offended but you are offended at the least thing? >> >>Because God made us that way. And I am not offended at the least >>thing. AGAIN, you lie. > >You just lied. >Your statement that you are not a liar is a lie. >You are easily offended but it doesn't bother you one bit to offend others. >And then you have the audacity to say that you are not being judgmental. >> >>>> >>>>And I HAVE repented to you, several times, and you were not >>>>interested, making you no longer my problem. >>> >>>Do you think I should answer every one of your posts? >> >>I believe you should respond to important points, like my repentance. >>And like my mention of my miracles. And even though you have now >>responded to this post in which it is mentioned, you have not accepted >>it. So I withdraw it. >> >>>I don't answer every post by anyone. >> >>Nor do I respond to all your bs anymore. > >A little angry, huh? >> >>>Just because I haven't acknowledged your "apology" doesn't mean anything. >> >>If you ever studied communications at the university level, >>communication takes several things. It takes me communicating to you; >>it takes you responding; it takes the back and forth to be sure that >>we both got the "information/data" correct. >Look, I am me, not you. >You do what you want and I'll do what I want. >You will not change me. >If you think you need to go to some university to learn how to communicate, >then go ahead. I'm not stoppinmg you. >> >>And it requires the receiver to appreciate the spirit of the >>message/data. > >I am not "required" to do anything. >> >>It was important to me (isn't anymore) that you respond. That you >>brushed me off and didn't respond because it "didn't mean anything", >>merely means that you could care less how anyone feels but yourself. > >What a hypocrite!! >> >>Which again makes me question your Christianity. Jesus cared so much >>He spilt His own blood. You don't care enough to sense a "brother in >>need" and respond with love. > >Again, you don't know me. >Do you think everyone is supposed to be like you? >> >>Which makes me quite certain that you are no brother in Christ. You >>have no love, you have no compassion. The words of Jesus and Paul are >>mere words to you. > >More baseless judgments. >> >> >>>If you think you need to repent then by all means repent. >> >>I retract it. > >wow. >repentance is for God, not man. >> >>>What difference does it make if I say anything about it? >> >>Because it takes two to argue. Your head is at LEAST as hard as mine. >>I can't argue with you all by myself. But as I conceded SEVERAL points >>to try to make peace, you decided to chuck peace in the garbage pile >>merely to be 100000000 % right on every conceivable topic. > >OK. >If I don't respond, then you shouldn't worry. >When I forgive someone, I shouldn't have to say anything. >I can't believe I'm having this conversation!! >> >>Making you a megalomaniac. (you must be right) >> >>> >>> >>>>You have issues WAY >>>>beyond my ability/interest in dealing with. I again leave you to God. >>> >>>I am already a child of God but thanks for your concern. >> >>If you are a child of God, try to start acting like one. > >According to your standards? >No thanks. > >> To call me a >>liar based on your ASSUMPTIONS is character assassination. Hardly >>Christian. > >Uh, you called me a liar, remember? >> >> >> >> >>>I am already in God's hands. >>>> >>>>>I maintain it is not. >>>> >>>>And your opinion isn't worth enough cash to buy me a stick of gum. >>> >>>You want cash? >>>Or do you want a stick of gum? >>>I'm not really concerned what you think of my opinions. >> >>diitto. >> >>And so you have a new enemy. Any enemy of God's (those who defy Him) >>becomes an enemy of mine. >> >>You defy God, I am your enemy. >> >>repent or perish. > > >> >> >>>I don't come in here to appease you or anyone else. >>>I come in here because I want to and because it is a public forum. >>>> >>>>>See? two can play that game. >>>> >>>>Who's playing? I am deadly serious. And you lost the right to correct >>>>me when you rejected my correction. If I cannot correct you, you >>>>cannot correct me. Your heart is hard, and your heart is cold. If the >>>>widows and orphans depended upon YOU for survival, they would all >>>>starve to death and freeze in the cold. >>> >>>Like I said before, you know nothing about me. >>>I could accuse you of lying but I will leave you to your conscience. >> >>You haven't caught me in one single lie. I don't lie. > >That's a lie. > > >> But your >>ASSUMPTIONS, stated as fact (you do a LOT of that) is the very >>definition of a lie. Which makes you, like Elaine, a pathological >>liar. And Paul said liars such as yourself will NOT go to heaven. > >But you can lie and go to heaven?? >> >>God bless! >> >>jw > >"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >Ann Coulter On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:57:12 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:32:56 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >> >>Do you think everyone is supposed to be like you? > > >BINGO. > >That's exactly what he thinks, CB. Liar. AGAIN, you claim falsely that you can read my mind and know my thoughts. You are NOT God, although you claim to be (omniscient) You have a new ally, Elaine! CB considers himself God, too. (Omniscient) jw > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:22:30 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:11:02 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >> >>Do you think I should answer every one of your posts? >>I don't answer every post by anyone. >>Just because I haven't acknowledged your "apology" doesn't mean anything. >>If you think you need to repent then by all means repent. >>What difference does it make if I say anything about it? >> >CB, it's the usual pattern with jw-- he 'apologizes' then waits to see >if you will fall over backwards in a rush to reply.. when one doesn't, >jw rescinds the apology he never MEANT in the first place. AGAIN, you lie like the carpet. You cannot POSSIBLY know my thoughts, my motives. You are not omniscient. Yet you CONSTANTLY lie and claim to know mine and other's thoughts. You pathetic, old, pathological lying whiner., You are merely making noise for attention! How pathetic! He's done this for years, and I doubt he will ever change. Liar, liar pants on fire. jw >Childish, yes-- but that is his pattern. pot kettle On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:22:30 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:11:02 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >> >>Do you think I should answer every one of your posts? >>I don't answer every post by anyone. >>Just because I haven't acknowledged your "apology" doesn't mean anything. >>If you think you need to repent then by all means repent. >>What difference does it make if I say anything about it? >> >CB, it's the usual pattern with jw- here you go, Elaine, playing kiss ass again. Sucking up to anyone who aligns themselves to you. jw - he 'apologizes' then waits to see >if you will fall over backwards in a rush to reply.. when one doesn't, >jw rescinds the apology he never MEANT in the first place. He's done >this for years, and I doubt he will ever change. >Childish, yes-- but that is his pattern. > >> >>>You have issues WAY >>>beyond my ability/interest in dealing with. I again leave you to God. >> >>I am already a child of God but thanks for your concern. >>I am already in God's hands. > > >AMEN. God bless :O) > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ================================================= On 26 Aug 2004 08:42:47 -0700, Falcon <falcon23587@comcast.net> wrote: >In article <412D6951.C27DB20D@yahoo.com>, ujibwa ujie ujb jimbo says... >> >>Do not be hard on my pal JohnW, he'sscrambled you know! >>ujb aka 24.17.230.135 > >The way I figure it is if Liar John wants to keep his lie and false accusation >out on the table for all to see it just makes him that much less credible. Not >that he needs any help in that regard, but it sure is comical to see the one who >is going to sue everyone tell a bold lie When I drag you by your balls into court (if you have any), you can prove to the judge how I've" lied". And then I'll be able to prove to a JUDGE that I haven't, and you're simply another jerk with dog doo do for brains.. I do hope you have lots of money, pinhead. While I have not seen fit to prove my POV on a number of issues, it is mere conjecture on YOUR part that I am being dishonest. Your conjecture is writing a check your ass cannot cash. God bless! jw , make a false accusation and then >refuse to retract the lie and instead be known as Liar John. It would seem that >all those who John is going to sue someday (Liar John says "Watch your back") >can simply point to this thread as proof that John has no integrity and in fact >lacks even enough character to retract his lie, but rather wants to gloss over >it with some sort of "if" conditional type thing. This is good evidence that >any testimony by Liar John is not credible and therefore subject to him being >laughed out of court. No "if" about it, he told a lie, made a false accusation >and then demanded an answer for -his- own self inflicted "character >assassination" as he calls it. Then, given a chance, he has refused to retract >the lie and just pretend that and "if" fixes it. This is my contribution to all >who John has threatened to sue, they now have concrete evidence that John is a >liar and makes false accusations. You're welcome. > >Ciao, >Falcon On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:36:54 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:05:31 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> done went >and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: > >> >>When you OPENLY admit to abusing those in your care (and you did, >>whether you understood it in your fits of madness or not), then YOU >>are the one in danger, madam. >> >YOU are the one in danger, fella. >So go ahead. >Falsely accuse all you like, because most people in this and other >groups have enough information on YOU to put you either behind bars >for some time, or into a mental institution. >In your case, I suspect the latter would be the most helpful. > >> Do all the investigating you like, I am no criminal. Whether you are >>one remains to be seen. I believe you are, and I believe I hvae the >>evidence. > > >Good, then present it, and be prepared for a battle, because you are a >liar. p k I'm just going to quote you, Elaine. With your very own words. jw > >I can prove my case, and prove you a liar ANY time, jw. >Live with it, and if you try anything, be prepared to face the music >and dance. > >It'll be one HOT number, I guarantee it. >Your problem is, you play with the useless trolls too much, and you're >too easily swayed by them. >I'm not. > > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:39:51 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:20:00 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: > >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:09:20 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> done >>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>News'FROUPS: >> >>> >>>I see two motormouths that have adopted opposing stances on an issue and >>>argue using nothing but meaningless generalities and vague inferences and >>>sophomoric ad hominem attacks. >> >> >>and I see a newcomer here, who is trolling. >> >>Bugger off. >> >> ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> ========================================================== > >Great job here of being a witness for Christ. NOT Thanks for your kind words, Larry. But they are wasted. I've known Elaine a little longer, and she is stubborn, obstinate, a pathological liar, abusive, in short, pathological (mentally ill, and likely clinically insane.) Read up on what the Bible says about "an angry woman." Her RAGING anger has driven her quite insane. And my graduate psychology courses indicated that the truly demented are the last to #1 figure it out #2 admit it #3 get help She can't point the finger at me because I'm in therapy, under psychiatric care, and on meds. She is none of the above. She hasn't admitted yet that she even has a problem. However, her OBVIOUS raging anger (obvious to everyone but her) and her OPEN pathological lying are TRAGIC symptoms of insanity. At the LEAST, she needs anger management. "Do not let the sun go down on your anger." And I am not the only one who has pointed out her pathological anger/behavior. I admit mine. She says over and over that her burning rage are justified. Granted, we can get angry. Jesus said, "be angry, but don't sin." When she calls a bi-polar man a "cretin", that's not a healthy sin, particularly when VERY vulnerable mental patients trust her for their daily care. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:38:37 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:39:51 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net done went >and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: > >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:20:00 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:09:20 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> done >>>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>>News'FROUPS: >>> >>>> >>>>I see two motormouths that have adopted opposing stances on an issue and >>>>argue using nothing but meaningless generalities and vague inferences and >>>>sophomoric ad hominem attacks. >>> >>> >>>and I see a newcomer here, who is trolling. >>> >>>Bugger off. >>> >>Great job here of being a witness for Christ. NOT > > >Thank you for your interference, and have a pleasant day....... So now, you only accept positive comments from people, but *I* am supposed to take all the bs you dish out? "Do as I say, not as I do!" Nah! All you mean is that you are PERFECT! You can do no wrong. But I'm not you, so I'm not perfect. > > >Okay- I apologize for telling him to bugger off- but he brings out the >worst in me with his garbage! Note she hasn't apologized to ME! she apologized to YOU! LOL!!! What a psycho! >Sorry. > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:15:56 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:38:37 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: > >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 07:39:51 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net done went >>and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:20:00 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:09:20 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> done >>>>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>>>News'FROUPS: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I see two motormouths that have adopted opposing stances on an issue and >>>>>argue using nothing but meaningless generalities and vague inferences and >>>>>sophomoric ad hominem attacks. >>>> >>>> >>>>and I see a newcomer here, who is trolling. >>>> >>>>Bugger off. >>>> >>>Great job here of being a witness for Christ. NOT >> >> >>Thank you for your interference, and have a pleasant day....... >> >> >>Okay- I apologize for telling him to bugger off- but he brings out the >>worst in me with his garbage! >>Sorry. >> >> ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> ========================================================== > >Apology accepted. But you still need to tell Alan you are sorry. Larry, before you accept her apology to YOU for something ugly she said to SOMEBODY ELSEE, you might suggest that she apologize to me. And she didn't say that to Allan; she said it to John W jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:59:36 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> wrote: > ><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >news:8l7qi0dlh15hch4t8fshue74j0iqmvoeha@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:25:01 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> >> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >> News'FROUPS: >> >> > >> ><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >> >news:lgkpi09ibmggn97d788uludhshtkbbtjeo@4ax.com... >> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:25:40 -0700, John Weatherly <johnw47@qwest.net> >> >> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >> >> News'FROUPS: >> >> >Where she belongs is in a psychiatric ward or a cold steel cell. >> >> >> >> And where did you get your medical degree? My, my- 'diagnosing me over >> >> the internet' AGAIN, johnny? >> >> >> >> I said it before, and I'll continue saying it: >> >> >> >> IF YOU'RE AS SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL AS YOU CLAIM, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT >> >> BE ON THE NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT SUPERVISION. >> > >> > He shouldn't be =anywhere= without supervision. >> > >> >> >> I agree. >> >> The number of people he has threatened. the lies he has told about so >> many.... it's pathetic. >> He should not be anywhere NEAR a computer. > > I've been dealing with seriously disturbed people for 27 years and it >never ceases to amaze me not only by what they will do, but at what other >people will allow them to do. #1 I am not "seriously disturbed" #2 Elaine DOES qualify for that description. #3 How would YOU get me off my computer? I am breaking no laws, and have not admitted to breaking any laws, no matter what kind of lies Elaine tells. jw >> >> ========================================================== >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> ========================================================== > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:41:34 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:59:36 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> >done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >> >><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>news:8l7qi0dlh15hch4t8fshue74j0iqmvoeha@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:25:01 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> >>> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>> News'FROUPS: >>> >>> > >>> ><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>> >news:lgkpi09ibmggn97d788uludhshtkbbtjeo@4ax.com... >>> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:25:40 -0700, John Weatherly <johnw47@qwest.net> >>> >> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>> >> News'FROUPS: >>> >> >Where she belongs is in a psychiatric ward or a cold steel cell. >>> >> >>> >> And where did you get your medical degree? My, my- 'diagnosing me over >>> >> the internet' AGAIN, johnny? >>> >> >>> >> I said it before, and I'll continue saying it: >>> >> >>> >> IF YOU'RE AS SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL AS YOU CLAIM, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT >>> >> BE ON THE NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT SUPERVISION. >>> > >>> > He shouldn't be =anywhere= without supervision. >>> > >>> >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> The number of people he has threatened. the lies he has told about so >>> many.... it's pathetic. >>> He should not be anywhere NEAR a computer. >> >> I've been dealing with seriously disturbed people for 27 years and it >>never ceases to amaze me not only by what they will do, but at what other >>people will allow them to do. >>> > >Well, he continually makes threats against me, others, etc.. he >imagines he can have my license to practice revoked for simply telling >the truth. We shall see, shall we not? > >It's so ridiculous. > >If m memory serves correctly, I believe he has threatened about 18 >people now. You mean you are so psychotic, you're keeping COUNT? OMG!!! > >Some of his ridiculous comments about those threats were : > >"Enjoy your freedom while you still can." >"Watch your back. You'll be in jail before you know it." >"After I sue you, I'll have lots and lots of money." Those are not "threats", Elaine. Those are fair warnings. Which any reasonable judge will tell you. > >A few ridiculous comments like that, any judge would laugh right out >of court before the case even began! With your accompanying posts, I highly doubt that. Shall we see? Keep it up. jw > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:21:13 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> wrote: ><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >news:phbsi01olngpkql4kkbcim66kbik6gts00@4ax.com... >> Well, he continually makes threats against me, others, etc.. he >> imagines he can have my license to practice revoked for simply telling >> the truth. > > Loonies are like that; the human kind, not the metal ones in yer >purse.... If I'm so loonie, why is everyone so concerned about what I say? Just ignore me. I could spend MY time better than answering all this bs!! jw >> >> It's so ridiculous. >> >> If m memory serves correctly, I believe he has threatened about 18 >> people now. > > I'm sure it's more than that. >> >> Some of his ridiculous comments about those threats were : >> >> "Enjoy your freedom while you still can." >> "Watch your back. You'll be in jail before you know it." >> "After I sue you, I'll have lots and lots of money." >> >> A few ridiculous comments like that, any judge would laugh right out >> of court before the case even began! > > Non compos mentis has been used by the defense, but for the prosecution >to realize their client is a looney would be immediate dismissal...... >> >> >> ========================================================== >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> ========================================================== > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:02:06 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:21:13 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> >done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>news:phbsi01olngpkql4kkbcim66kbik6gts00@4ax.com... >>> Well, he continually makes threats against me, others, etc.. he >>> imagines he can have my license to practice revoked for simply telling >>> the truth. >> >> Loonies are like that; the human kind, not the metal ones in yer >>purse.... >>> >>> It's so ridiculous. >>> >>> If m memory serves correctly, I believe he has threatened about 18 >>> people now. >> >> I'm sure it's more than that. >>> >Heaven only knows. I was trying to give jw the benefit of the doubt, Oh???? When was that? In 1972? >but WHY bother??? > I tried that before, and all he did was falsely accuse me. Falsely accused you of WHAT? And when? After you falsely diagnosed me as schizophrenic? jw > >So now, I am merely waiting for the big mouth to go into action. >He's in for a BIGGGGGGGGGGG shock, if he tries to sue me, however. lol. "all bluster... no brain..." >All his bluff and big talk won't get him anywhere but into the big >house. > > >>> Some of his ridiculous comments about those threats were : >>> >>> "Enjoy your freedom while you still can." >>> "Watch your back. You'll be in jail before you know it." >>> "After I sue you, I'll have lots and lots of money." >>> >>> A few ridiculous comments like that, any judge would laugh right out >>> of court before the case even began! >> >> Non compos mentis has been used by the defense, but for the prosecution >>to realize their client is a looney would be immediate dismissal...... >>> >>> >Well, there ya go ---- but be careful now, or johnny will try to >accuse you of 'diagnosing him over the internet' like he did me !! Gee, whiz! Elaine! What on earth are you going to do when they confiscate your computer? If you're not badmouthing ME 24/7 in here, you won't have ANY fun in your life! jw > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:02:06 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:21:13 GMT, "Blobert!" <OneNation@Under.Blob> >done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>news:phbsi01olngpkql4kkbcim66kbik6gts00@4ax.com... >>> Well, he continually makes threats against me, others, etc.. he >>> imagines he can have my license to practice revoked for simply telling >>> the truth. >> >> Loonies are like that; the human kind, not the metal ones in yer >>purse.... >>> >>> It's so ridiculous. >>> >>> If m memory serves correctly, I believe he has threatened about 18 >>> people now. >> >> I'm sure it's more than that. >>> >Heaven only knows. I was trying to give jw the benefit of the doubt, >but WHY bother??? > I tried that before, and all he did was falsely accuse me. > >So now, I am merely waiting for the big mouth to go into action. >He's in for a BIGGGGGGGGGGG shock, if he tries to sue me, however. >All his bluff and big talk won't get him anywhere but into the big >house. > > >>> Some of his ridiculous comments about those threats were : >>> >>> "Enjoy your freedom while you still can." >>> "Watch your back. You'll be in jail before you know it." >>> "After I sue you, I'll have lots and lots of money." >>> >>> A few ridiculous comments like that, any judge would laugh right out >>> of court before the case even began! >> >> Non compos mentis has been used by the defense, but for the prosecution >>to realize their client is a looney would be immediate dismissal...... >>> >>> >Well, there ya go ---- but be careful now, or johnny will try to >accuse you of 'diagnosing him over the internet' like he did me !! For a "professional" with an "education", Elaine, you are simply too S T U P I D to be taken seriously. jw > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:57:05 -0400, "Scout Lady" <scoutlady@nospam.net> wrote: > >"John Weatherly" <johnw47@qwest.net> wrote in message >news:moboi09859l5ntg8up3npeq13i751dnh9v@4ax.com... >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:54:36 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:07:18 +0200, "::: vera :::" >> ><verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> done went and wrote as Gospel Truth in >> >these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: >> > >> >> >> >>> The judge personally pursued Ateqeh's death sentence, beyond all >> >>> normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme >> >>> Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not >> >>> execution but he had her executed for her "sharp tongue." >> >> Even in Seattle, Washington, where you'd think the Muslims would be >> "free" I continue to see their women in burkas. There are Muslim women >> in Burkas in my very building. > >So what? Most Muslim women wear burkas as a sign of their subservience to >God, not to men. Amazing how willing, how ready, you are to speak for people you don't even know. I have asked several of my Muslim friends about this, and they say that many of these women do this because they don't yet believe that their families wouldn't hurt them if they didn't wear the burkas. > >> I had a Muslim friend briefly, and we >> had a number of LONG talks concerning the differences between the >> Muslim religion and Christianity. I pointed out how the Muslim faith >> teaches their men to hate and mistreat their women. He countered that >> not all Muslims hate and abuse their women. There are Muslim husbands >> in this very building who abuse their women; and the women don't >> complain. It's part of their culture, and they expect no better, even >> in America. It's amazing and tragic how deep this Satanic persecution >> goes. >> >Many "Christian" men are abusive to women, some ignore Paul's words to love >your wife as yourself. Abuse of women is not limited to any place, time or >culture. I could not agree more. I was raised in such a church. The last church I attended with my wife, several wife beaters were found out, and the elders visited them and told them the next time they had to come, there would be an arrest. Some quieted down, some went to prison. > >> This "buddy" was finally detected to have a "white Christian friend" >> by his parents and his friends, and he was forbidden to have anything >> else to do with me. Not only was I a HATED white man, but I was a >> Christian, the WORST of infidels. >> >I'm guessing it had more to do with the fact that this American friend was >mentally ill. Shove it whre the sun doesn't shine. I was friends with not only Abdi, but half-a-dozen of his friends. When one of his brothers met me, the relationhip ended abruptly. And how the HELL would YOU know what happened, witch? You are mentally ill, you are just too damned stubborn to go to a doctor and get treatment. You also need your Pinocchio nose shortened. > >> So much for the "religion of peace". IT's only a "religion of peace" >> for Muslim men who don't live in Muslim controlled countries. >> >Christianity is not a religion of peace either, all one has to do is observe >your threats of violence and legal action toward anyone who disagrees with >you or says something that wounds your ego. BS. And Christianity IS a religion of peace. Where do YOU get off blaming my entire faith (incudling Roman Catholicism-the "first church) for my illness? And what about YOURS? You have a terminal case of judgement-itis. And you are a liar. I have had disgreements with Larry, and with Deacon, and with IKH and several others; disagreements; no threats. And I have obviously wounded YOUR ego. You hvae hated me ever since. You miss no opportunity to throw rocks at me. And you HATE it when I throw them back at you. > >> And my former Muslim buddy, Abdi, even said that it doesn't matter >> what country they live in, any true Muslim would kill a non-Muslim if >> they won't convert. >> >We have just your word on that John and frankly I simply don't believe it. As I have said before, i could care less what you believe, witchy. YOu are a PROVEN liar. You just lied about me several time sin this very thread (your exaggerating is lying) > >> I asked him if he was prepared to kill non-Muslims himself. He said, >> "When the time comes." >> >Oh my goodness, besides your fantasies about Catholics putting a gun to your >head some day and ordering you to convert, now you have the Muslims doing >the same. Get a life, and grow up, witchy. jw > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:16:02 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:34:41 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:59:49 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:59:56 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:20:57 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:04:38 -0700, John Weatherly <johnw47@qwest.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:46:19 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 24 Aug 2004 06:23:35 -0700, haifacharity@hotmail.com (byalik) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>SHALOM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Oh, boohoo hooo!!! >>>>>>>Sob sob!! >>>>>>>Woe is me!!! >>>>>>>What to do, what to do!!! >>>>>>>Let me guess, you want money, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>Is that a Christian attitude, CB? >>>>>> >>>>>>I maintain it is not. >>>>> >>>>>You can send him all your money if you wish. >>>>>I work for mine. >>>>>Your judgments against me are showing again. >>>> >>>>I do not "judge" anyone. I am not the judge. Apparently ANOHTER >>>>passage you don't know or reject outright is the passage about "iron >>>>sharpening iron." What about "correcting one another in love." ? >>>> >>>>>You know absolutely nothing about me. >>>> >>>>I don't judge your life, CB. I judge only your own words. >>> >>>By whose authority? >> >>By the same authority you dismiss me. > >Who said I dismissed you? >I wasn't put on this earth to bow down at the altar of jw. >I don't have to report to you. Goodbye. You continue to be not only a waste of my time and energy, but a waste of the air you breathe. I shall pray that you come to a saving knowledge of the Risen Christ before you face Him and get a RUDE awakening. MK 12:38 As he taught, Jesus said, "Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces, 39 and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 40 They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely." AC 6:1 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2 So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3 Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4 and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word." MT 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." MT 26:10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." LK 11:39 Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 But give what is inside the dish to the poor, and everything will be clean for you. LK 11:42 "Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. LK 11:43 "Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. LK 11:44 "Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which men walk over without knowing it." LK 12:32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. LK 14:7 When he noticed how the guests picked the places of honor at the table, he told them this parable: 8 "When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited. 9 If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, `Give this man your seat.' Then, humiliated, you will have to take the least important place. 10 But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, `Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all your fellow guests. 11 For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." LK 14:12 Then Jesus said to his host, "When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous." LK 14:15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, "Blessed is the man who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God." Since I know presenting the word of God to you is a waste of time (your unclean spirits aren't interested), I won't give you all the passages. If you cared, you'd have found them by now. But I have given you a few to ponder, because one of MY gifts is exhortation (correcting). jw snip On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:06:43 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:16:02 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >> >>That's a lie. >>I have refrained from calling you a liar but I shall not refrain much longer. >>Be sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. >>> > > >I also refrained for some time, but when the creepy cretin falsely >accused me of 'admitting patient abuse'....... I declared a sabbatical >on refraining. He IS a liar. > >Take care, CB, and don't let the cretin upset you. > >God bless. When some other things are in order, I shall begin re posting those posts, Elaine, and you can re taste/re digest your lies. You'd LOVE for everyone in here to forget that some 3 years ago, when I first came in here, you were known as THE LIAR of the Baptist group. And, thanks SO much. I now have it in writing that you have called an ADMITTED mental patient a "cretin." Funny. "Cretin" is NOT a measure of mental illness, but of IQ level. And, once again, I'll match my IQ to yours ANY day. jw > > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:30:18 -0000, Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote: >jw<no (J W) said <99lri09hoicq80ce8morn3qdkpvh6gq7dr@4ax.com>: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:59:49 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:59:56 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:20:57 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:04:38 -0700, John Weatherly >>>>><johnw47@qwest.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>x-no-archive: yes >>>>>>On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:46:19 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On 24 Aug 2004 06:23:35 -0700, haifacharity@hotmail.com (byalik) >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>SHALOM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Oh, boohoo hooo!!! >>>>>>>Sob sob!! >>>>>>>Woe is me!!! >>>>>>>What to do, what to do!!! >>>>>>>Let me guess, you want money, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>Is that a Christian attitude, CB? >>>>>> >>>>>>I maintain it is not. >>>>> >>>>>You can send him all your money if you wish. >>>>>I work for mine. >>>>>Your judgments against me are showing again. >>>> >>>>I do not "judge" anyone. I am not the judge. Apparently ANOHTER >>>>passage you don't know or reject outright is the passage about "iron >>>>sharpening iron." What about "correcting one another in love." ? >>>> >>>>>You know absolutely nothing about me. >>>> >>>>I don't judge your life, CB. I judge only your own words. >>> >>>By whose authority? >> >>By the same authority you dismiss me. When you judge me, you open the >>door to me judging you. "By the same measure you judge, you shall be >>judged." You judge me; I judge you. >> >>>> >>>>>So go judge someone else, I'm not interested. >>>> >>>>As long as you remain in the Baptist group, spouting hate and an ice >>>>cold heart, count on hearing from me. >>> >>>If you don't mind wasting your time. >> >>So yo are admitting that you are beyond anyone correcting you, but you >>are so perfect you judge others! >> >>What a pile of horse manure! >> >>>> >>>>I happen to be one of those "charity cases" you'd let starve to death. >>> >>>Are you starving? >> >>And you sure can jump to conclusions. I didn't way I'm starving. Have >>you ever heard of a "metaphor?" It's an EXTREME example used to teach >>a point. >> >>And I said if it were up to you, I could starve to death, and with >>your ice-cold heart, you wouldn't lift a finger. AGAIN, you ignore >>Christ's DEMANDS that we feed the widows and orphans. Well, I'm an >>orphan, pal! A disabled orphan. >> >>And I bet you'll laugh over that one for a year. >> >>>Why don't you stand on the street corner and beg for money? >> >>>You would be surprised how much money you can make by being poor. >> >>I know. I grew up in DC, where the most famous beggar I ever knew >>(Paul Harvey did a eulogy on him) turned out to be a millionaire. Made >>his fortune begging. >> >>But I don't have that talent, not that YOU give a damn. >> >>>One man here made about $900 a day by being hungry. >> >>So why do YOU work, if you can make almost a grand a day with your >>hand out? Some of the things/ scratch that/ MOST of the things you >>say do not come out of the Bible, but they DO indicate that you don't >>know the Christ of the Bible. >> >>>> >>>>"If you love me, feed my sheep." "If you love me, keep my >>>>commandments." >>> >>>Nice Scripture. >>>Misapplied, but nice. >> >>No, perfectly applied. He commanded us to take care of those in need, >>a concept you reject. >> >>>> >>>>I am boggled by how often I quote scripture to you and you brush it >>>>aside. So if you disregard scripture so readily, tell us all again >>>>what makes you believe you are a Christian? >>> >>>I believe Scripture. >> >>You may believe intellectually, you don't believe in your heart, and >>it obviously doesn't affect your life. That's called "head knowledge" >>and God HATES it. >> >>"Your word have I hid in my heart, so that I will not sin against >>you." >> >>You have the word in your HEAD, not your heart. IOW, you KNOW it; but >>you don't bother to apply it. >> >>Like the Pharisees before you--your heroes--they could quote it, but >>they heckled Jesus daily, and eventually murdered him. You are one >>who would have murdered Jesus if you'd been His contemporary. >> >>>I am not a cool whip christian where anything goes. >> >>Nor am I. If you did a search, I've never committed a crime, and I've >>had REAL visions and miracles, which I have previously mentioned to >>you, which you IGNORED. >> >>Sad for you. "Having the form of religion, yet no substance." >> >>>> >>>>Have you been born again? (this is where you are required to present >>>>your testimony; now you're going to ask me, "what's a ""testimony?"" >>> >>>What??? >> >>Have you been born again? (this is where you are required to present >>your testimony; now you're going to ask me, "what's a ""testimony?"" >> >>>I am required to give you a testimony? >> >>"Always be ready with an answer (testimony) for the hope within you >>(your beliefs)." "In season, and out." (when the time is right, and >>even when it's not) >> >>>FYI, I don't talk about my personal life in here. >> >>You are required by Christ, no matter where you are, to give your >>testimony when asked. >> >>>I am not required to tell you anything about me. >> >>You're sadly misinformed, and you are a liar. How does it feel when I >>call you what you've called ME so many times? >>God requires it, so again, you repudiate Christ by your refusal to >>answer. No surprise. I'd have been aghast if you'd replied honestly. >> >> >>>You have no idea why I refuse to give money to scam artists >> >>And how do you know that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who asks you for help is >>a "scam artist." >> >>I thought we weren't supposed to judge? I guess it's okay if YOU're >>the judge, eh? >> >>but you are ready >>>to condemn me and tell me I'm going to burn in hell because I don't >>>agree with you. >> >>Kindly reproduce the post where I said exactly that. When you stretch >>the truth, when you bend the words, when you reword things so that you >>can make your point, you are a liar. >> >>And I have already made it VERY clear that I am giving you my opinion, >>NOT casting judgment on you. >> >>>Please tell me what Scripture you got that from. >> >>Since you refuse to answer, I will as well. I'm sure as gifted a Bible >>scholar as y0u are, you'll soon find it on your own. It'll be a good >>exercise for you. Reading the Bible. >> >> >>>Where does it say that "all who agree with jw may enter in, all those >>>who disagree with jw are to be cast out into eternal darkness"? >> >> >>That's one too many insults for now, you with the heart of ice. >> >>You have YET to post the post where I said that. And I am tired of >>your EXTREME mood swings. Have you ever been tested for bi-polar >>disorder? Or are you just an asshole on gps? >> >> >>snip. >> >> >> > >You say you're CHRISTIAN, but talk like this? What is it with you? OMG! Another one! You use those words in private, but are too much a hypocrite to use them in context in public? That is not the Christianity I believe in. And even if it's a sin (I disagree) it's forgivable. "All things are lawful; not all things are good for you." I see liars not going to heaven, I see thieves not going t0 heaven, I see fornicators and adulterers and murderers and rapists not going to heaven. However, I see no mention of those who use an occasional "colorful" word for a jerk being condemned to hell. As for my being a Christian, I was born again at the age of 5, which means I've been a born-again, sinner saved by grace for over 50 years now. And I won't name the pastor, but awhile back, I was standing just outside the door at church after the service. Our guest speaker, a Dr. Jones (made up name) in his 50s with a 5,000 + member flock called our pastor, Dr Brown aside and said, "Brown, can we talk?" Dr. Brown said, "of course!" They reviewed their history, and these two fine scholars had known each other for over 20 years. Dr Jones then said, "Brown, I have a problem. I need your prayer. I've been in the ministry most of my adult life, and a Christian for xxxx years, but I can't get a handle on my tongue. IF I'm not "JCing" this (he used the words), I'm "GDing" something else. And I don't see how I can be a Christian, a scholar, and a pastor with THOUSANDS of members and curse like that. Will you pray for me? My pastor, Dr. Brown, smiled and said, Dr Jones, I'll pray for you if you'll pray for me. I have the EXACT same problem." My ex-father-in-law was a pastor with half-a-dozen doctorates after his name, Dr. K. I was over (during our courtship) to their house one day for lunch, and his wife asked me to go down to the garage to get him for lunch. As I opened the garage to call him, he was dragging himself out from under his truck. The first thing I heard was, "You S O B!" and he used the words. I was in shock! I said, "What?" He looked at me, realized he'd been caught, and lied, "I said, darn it!" I mentioned that to my fiance later. She laughed. "That's my dad! A foul-mouthed Bible scholar." We all have sins in our lives. Perhaps one of mine is making them public? BTW, kindly explain to me the difference between YOU THINKING the words and me saying them? "If you have done it in your heart, you have done it." Doesn't just apply to adultery. It MAY comfort you just a little to know I never use profanity, that is misusing God's name, unless quoting. Judging me is NOT Christian, either. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:08:08 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:30:18 -0000, Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: >>> >> >>You say you're CHRISTIAN, but talk like this? What is it with you? > > >Eagle, please stick around, and it won't take you long to see what he >REALLY is. :O( p k. Stick around awhile Eagle, and find out how truly insane Elaine really is, as she tries to remake the Baptist group in her image. jw > >Feel free to email me at romraidr@vianet.ca or romath@romath.com > > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:36:45 -0000, Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote: >j_w<no (j w) said <h3hfi01p4ghn11gsk0gr8h4risj1u4jc41@4ax.com>: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:52:39 -0500, ;+D <romath@idunnoromath.com> >>wrote: >> copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the >>group, folks) >>>In article <nuvgh013u0b5kp5mgl4157l5cqm3uqpb28@4ax.com>, country2000 >>>@hotmail.com sez the following stuff in this here li'l ole >>>news'froup...! >>>> >>>A certain individual intoned: >>>> >Thanks for admitting that you are here to serve yourself rather than >>>> >Him. >>>> >>>To which CB rightly responded: >>>> And you are here for what? >>>> >>>imply, imply, imply, CB----- THAT is the answer, I'm afraid. >>> >>>Please continue to rise above that level which is being directed >>>towards you. >> >>Elaine, your words are only noble when you are innocent. Jesus said we >>are blessed when we are WRONGLY persecuted "for righteousness' sake." >> >>You are NOT being WRONGLY persecuted "for righteousness' sake." You >>ARE being daily FLAYED for your ongoing arrogance, rebellion, >>apostasies, lies, slander, and flat DENIAL and REFUSAL to truly >>repent. You can cast ALL those ugly words at ME, and that's just >>fine. But I KNOW and ADMIT I have problems, and I FREQUENTLY repent. >> >>Not only do you not ADMIT your OBVIOUS problems (lying and slander and >>denial for only 3), but you refuse to even look within. >> >>YOU, unlike me, unlike others, PREACH the gospel with absolutely NO >>PRETENCE at LIVING it, even in here. >> >>Which embarrasses God, and other Christians. >> >>"Physician, heal yourself." >> >> >>> >>>You, among several others, have proven to be a real inspiration to me >>>today. >>> >>>God bless. >> >>I'm glad to know SOMEONE inspires you by kissing your ass, Elaine. >>Trouble is, no one inspires you towards doing the right thing. >> >>But I continue to pray for you, Elaine, that you will come out from >>under your STRONG demonic bondage/oppression, or that you will get the >>psychiatric help you so desperately need. >> >>There is still time, while you can still afford it. While you still >>have good insurance. >> >>You truly do not have to spend your last days scrubbing floors. That >>is PURELY your choice. >> >> >>jw >> >>In Christ, >> >>john w >> > >You don't sound to be in Chriat at all to me. That is fine. You don't know me. God still loves me, and you forget He made me how I am as He made you as you are. IF you judge merely by what you see in here, then you have no judgment. >you sound more like an atheist, Give me a break! And you sound like a Judaizer. You don't accept my "judgments", yet you JUMP to judge me. I claim Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I have since I was 5 years old. I've likely experienced as many miracles in my life as you have; possibly more. and you are not going to fool many people >here. Well, Satan has certainly fooled YOU! You equate mental illness and a temper with being an atheist. You have no "discernment." I forgive you. > >I don't like you. That is fine. No one likes everyone. But it is also sad that after a week, you have decided that you don't like me. That merely makes you a Judaizer. You want me to be like you; I prefer to be like Christ, and I grow more like Him every day. Have you ANY compassion for the widows and orphans, the poor, the homeless, the mentally ill? I fit several of those categories. I request your prayer, if you feel you can lower yourself. You will be in my prayers, that God will give you a REAL Christian heart. You sound extremely evil. Thanks. And God bless you, too! (Father, forgive him; he has no idea what he is talking about) And am I supposed to be impressed with you after you dislike me after a week? I am not. When you base your judgment of people on how they behave in here after 1 week, you have no judgment. Plus, you have not been in here the 3 years I've been in here, being ridiculed daily for my infirmities. Would you fight back over libel and slander and sadism? That's what I've put up with for 3 years, and I am a fighter, whether you approve or not. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On 26 Aug 2004 23:10:20 GMT, Mike Andrade <ma@box.invalid> wrote: > >>Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote in >>news:9551B4752eagle@corp.supernews.com: >> >>> I came here about a month ago, and only posted a few messages, >>> then I had to be away for a couple of weeks. >>> >>> When I returned, I saw what looks to me like nothing but a war >>> zone. >>> >>> People accusing other people, and calling them all kinds of names. >>> >>> Is this REALLY a Christian group? It sure doesn't look like one. >>> >>I am also new to the group and I concur. > >Mike and Eagle, >Stick around if you can please. It is nice to find other Christians >that really are Christians. You are right, it doesn't sound much like >one. I used to get caught up in this. But I have not posted as much in >here any more. > >There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.) You consider the Legalist John Hennekes a good guy? You have dropped two notches in my esteem. jw >to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >understand. > >May God bless you and keep you, >Larry On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:42:42 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >News'FROUPS: > >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >> >> >>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.,CB) >>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >>>understand. >> >>Oh, thanks :) >> >> >Well, hey, CB-- I reckon I'm 'no good' either!! LOL! For once, Elaine has spoken the truth. See, Elaine? I KNEW you could do it if you tried! :-)) jw >Welcome to the club! :o) > >Oh well--- God bless Larry regardless. > > > ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > > ========================================================== On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:24:35 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: > >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:42:42 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>News'FROUPS: >> >>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.,CB) >>>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >>>>understand. >>> >>>Oh, thanks :) >>> >>> >>Well, hey, CB-- I reckon I'm 'no good' either!! LOL! >>Welcome to the club! :o) >> >>Oh well--- God bless Larry regardless. >> >> >> ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> ========================================================== > >Elaine, >You replied exactly like I thought you would. I left your name off the >list on purpose. Just because your name was not mention, you get a >little upset it seems. > >To be honest with you, I do not think of you as a very good Christian. >That is my opinion, by what I have seen you post. You do not show love >except to those who more or less side with you. D I T T O !!! I KNOW I have a problem with my behavior, and as I have explained a dozen times, my illness is a behavioral illness. Elaine claims no such illness, so she has NO excuse for her EXTREME misbehavior. Since I've been in here, if you don't smooch her behind daily, you are on her poo poo list. I have NEVER been a behind kisser, so I will happily remain on her poo poo list. You do not show the >fruit of the spirit. > >I know I am not perfect, we all have our faults. But are we not >suppose to be Christ like? We are to make the attempt. Even Paul said he failed miserably. But Elaine OPENLY proclaims that she is not only without fault, but expects that we follow her lead and allow her to set the tone/rules for the group! What tone? What rules? This is an open forum. No matter how badly Elaine wishes it, she will never be in charge. She monitors me DAILY for "misbehavior." And then barks like a rabid dog with accompanying foam at the mouth. I have repeatedly invited her to simply not read my posts. She invites me to not respond to hers. I only respond to hers when she is lying, being a hypocrite, or talking me down as usual. Some folks just aren't happy unless they're miserable or angry. I had one in my own family. And Elaine isn't stirred up enough by the garbage in here, she is not beneath digging in the mud and the sewers and the cesspools, "looking for dirt, which she's done to me NUMEROUS times. "You deserved it, because you didn't kiss my behind." Are we not suppose to pattern ourselves >after Jesus Christ? Do you think you are? SHE does! She has said so MANY times. OTC, she believes she is worthy of everyone patterning their lives after HER! While she feels totally free to reject Paul's teaching AND Christ's teaching. I can't count how many times she's called me or others "you fool!" in spite of Christ's warning that those who do risk hellfire. Yet Elaine remains SO obsessive/compulsive she will risk hellfire to tell me off. NOT a healthy mind, NOT a healthy soul, NOT a healthy spirit. And NOT even TRYING. Read the numerous passages about "an angry woman," and you have Elaine in a nutshell. > >You don't have to answer those, just think on them. I GUARANTEE you're going to get a poison pen reply. > >Actually when I first met CB, I thought he was a good Christian, but >as of late, he seems to have been slipping. I will pray for him as >well as you. Amen. He had me fooled briefly. Now he indicates that I am to walk on water while he ignores the needs of those around him. God bless you, too. jw > >May God bless both of you, >Larry On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:13:57 GMT, "Northstar" <ihatespam@spammersarejerks.wa> wrote: > ><larry4355@adelphia.net> wrote in message >news:ifdti0lbfdi04it77oka7qi1sick3gc6h9@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:42:42 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >> >went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >> >News'FROUPS: >> > >> >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.,CB) >> >>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >> >>>understand. >> >> >> >>Oh, thanks :) >> >> >> >> >> >Well, hey, CB-- I reckon I'm 'no good' either!! LOL! >> >Welcome to the club! :o) >> > >> >Oh well--- God bless Larry regardless. >> > >> > >> > ========================================================== >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >> > ========================================================== >> >> Elaine, >> You replied exactly like I thought you would. I left your name off the >> list on purpose. Just because your name was not mention, you get a >> little upset it seems. >> >> To be honest with you, I do not think of you as a very good Christian. >> That is my opinion, by what I have seen you post. You do not show love >> except to those who more or less side with you. You do not show the >> fruit of the spirit. > >Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way >you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will >be measured to you. You are WAY off, North. Larry has NOT "judged" Elaine or anyone else. He has expressed his opinion. Part of "loving one another as I have loved you" is CORRECTING one who you perceive is sinning. As Jesus corrected the Pharisees, as He corrected Peter twice (that are recorded) as He corrected John and another disciple when they asked Him who would be first in the Kingdom. We correct one another in love. That is what Larry has attempted. My ONLY concern is that his attempting to shed some light on Elaine's black soul is pearls cast before pigs. Elaine is deaf to correction. jw > > >> >> I know I am not perfect, we all have our faults. But are we not >> suppose to be Christ like? Are we not suppose to pattern ourselves >> after Jesus Christ? Do you think you are? >> >> You don't have to answer those, just think on them. >> >> Actually when I first met CB, I thought he was a good Christian, but >> as of late, he seems to have been slipping. I will pray for him as >> well as you. >> >> May God bless both of you, >> Larry >> > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:41:05 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:24:35 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: > >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:42:42 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >>>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>>News'FROUPS: >>> >>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.,CB) >>>>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >>>>>understand. >>>> >>>>Oh, thanks :) >>>> >>>> >>>Well, hey, CB-- I reckon I'm 'no good' either!! LOL! >>>Welcome to the club! :o) >>> >>>Oh well--- God bless Larry regardless. >>> >>> >>> ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >>> ========================================================== >> >>Elaine, >>You replied exactly like I thought you would. I left your name off the >>list on purpose. Just because your name was not mention, you get a >>little upset it seems. >> >>To be honest with you, I do not think of you as a very good Christian. >>That is my opinion, by what I have seen you post. You do not show love >>except to those who more or less side with you. You do not show the >>fruit of the spirit. >> >>I know I am not perfect, we all have our faults. But are we not >>suppose to be Christ like? Are we not suppose to pattern ourselves >>after Jesus Christ? Do you think you are? >> >>You don't have to answer those, just think on them. >> >>Actually when I first met CB, I thought he was a good Christian, but >>as of late, he seems to have been slipping. I will pray for him as >>well as you. > >Do you even know what a "good" Christian is? >You want to play this "keeping the law" game? >What makes you so much "holier" than anyone else? Another apostate hypocrite!! CB, you have your pie hole WIDE oipen, and your soul, and heart, and ears and eyes tightly shut. Larry doesn't claim to be perfect. He said, I quote, "I know I am not perfect, we all have our faults..." Yet, YOU CB, claim perfection, and you claim to be above ANY one's correction. "Whom He loves, He chastens." And through us. "Re-read 1 Cor 13. Jesus loved Peter, and corrected him several times. Jesus loved the Pharisees, and told them off when they heckled Him constantly. Jesus loved John (His best friend), but when John and someone else asked Jesus who would be "first in the Kingdom", Jesus rebuked him. Since we are commanded "Love one another as I have loved you, that "love" includes correcting one another when we see sin. Otherwise, if I can't correct you, if you can't correct me, how do we know we've gotten off the path? Are YOU so perfect? I attended a Church of Christ university for a year, Pepperdine U., and I found this phony self-righteousness that you express RAMPANT in the COC. I will continue to pray for your black soul, that you will discover the Christ of the New Testament in a saving grace. AGAIN, you feel totally free to correct everyone in the group. In this post, you correct Larry and SOUNDLY rebuke him. What makes you immune from the same judging and rebuke you hand out? That is called hypocrisy, and when you continually REFUSE correction, that is called "apostasy'. You and Elaine and SL have that in common. You are all apostate. jw > > > >>May God bless both of you, >>Larry > >"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >Ann Coulter On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:17:48 -0500, "Kay \(Karen\)" <karen@somewhere.com> wrote: > >"TheEagle" <Eagle@kingbird> wrote in message >news:9551B4752eagle@corp.supernews.com... >> I came here about a month ago, and only posted a few messages, then I had >> to be away for a couple of weeks. >> >> When I returned, I saw what looks to me like nothing but a war zone. >> >> People accusing other people, and calling them all kinds of names. >> >> Is this REALLY a Christian group? It sure doesn't look like one. >> >> Eagle > >Hi The Eagle, > >I just came back myself from holidays and must say that there are definitely >christians in the newsgroup. The title of the newsgroup is baptist but >there are more than baptists in here who post. We have some christians from >other denominations who post here and non christians who post here. > >Oh and by the way Welcome, although its a month late. Hi, Kay! Welcome back! I am sorry if you don't see any noticeable change in my attitude. I believe I have cleaned up my act considerably, yet I remind you and everyone I DO have a behavioral disorder, and I call upon the real Christians in here (you and a few others) to continue to pray and tolerate me. You, btw, have invariably been a blessing to me! You and Deacon are two I usually look forward to seeing. I once found Deacon almost "infallible". I don't anymore. But I love him in Jesus as a frail human (like all) saved by grace. :-) (no attack intended, Deacon) I'm crawling the best I can w/o my spiritual wheelchair! ;-) God bless! jw > >Blessings > >Kay (Karen) > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:43:33 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:32:41 -0400, Not yet please <me@you.com> wrote: > >> >> >>Mike Andrade wrote: >>> >>> Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote in >>> news:9551B4752eagle@corp.supernews.com: >>> >>> > I came here about a month ago, and only posted a few messages, >>> > then I had to be away for a couple of weeks. >>> > >>> > When I returned, I saw what looks to me like nothing but a war >>> > zone. >>> > >>> > People accusing other people, and calling them all kinds of names. >>> > >>> > Is this REALLY a Christian group? It sure doesn't look like one. >>> > >>> I am also new to the group and I concur. >>> >>> -- >>> Mike >>> "No thanks, I'm just looking." >> >>New too, what a circus. > >You ain't seen nothin' yet!! I believe CB has just promised to make things MUCH worse. Too bad there isn't a COC group. He'd be MUCH more comfortable with the rest of the Pharisees. jw > >"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >Ann Coulter On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:22:41 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:00:01 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> done went >and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet News'FROUPS: > >> >>Some of us have mental issues/illnesses, including (admittedly) me >>(bi-polar) and Elaine Matthews ("Romath" at the moment), who believes >>she is essentially perfect and tries to control the content of the >>group. > > >ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take a pill and CHILL, johnny.... Mad nurse Ratchett! You feel quite free to speak your mind (or lack thereof), and I do as well. If you don't like it, Nurse Ratchett, you are free to not read my posts, if you can overcome your obsessive/compulsive tendencies. (being obsessive/compulsive, btw, is frequently a psychosis) If you wonder as to my qualifications, I began my graduate work in psychology my 2nd semester of college (freshman year) and took at least 2 graduate psych courses until I graduated 5 years later (a 5-year program). I continued my graduate psych studies after graduation with my BA, and after a semester of grad school, bringing up my grades for seminary, I enrolled in 2 seminaries, taking grad psych courses at both. So I have roughly 80 graduate units of psych under my belt. While I cannot diagnose legally, I DO recognize many of the symptoms of various illnesses. Yours include paranioa ("you've changed your sig to get past my killfilter"/ even though you change YOUr sig weekly. Evidently you're the only person in here you allow to change their sig. delusoins of grandeur megalomania (you being the center of the known universe) you are omniscient (you can read minds) and you are VERY obsessive/compulsive you can't resist calling me a "fool" repeatedly, even at the threat of hellfire! Even when threatened with legal action and the loss of your job, you cannot resist your continuing smearing (libel - KNOWINGLY making false statements about me) and phony diagnosing. God bless! And get help while you can afford it. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:31:22 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:45:08 -0000, Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote: > >>I came here about a month ago, and only posted a few messages, then I had >>to be away for a couple of weeks. >> >>When I returned, I saw what looks to me like nothing but a war zone. >> >>People accusing other people, and calling them all kinds of names. >> >>Is this REALLY a Christian group? It sure doesn't look like one. > >I would say it's more of a chat room than a discussion board. For the novices (you) this is not a chat room. A chat room is live. And typically VERY chaotic. there are as many as 50 or 100 people all typing at the same time, and you have to weed through line after line after line after line of text/messages that aren't for you to find the reply from the person you're communicating with. To keep track, many people come up with unique color codes, unique monikers so they can "spot one another" more easily. This is a message board, where participants post their POV, and then wait an hour, a day, 5 minutes, a week, for people to respond. Here, although chaotic, it's MUCH easier to communicate, as the subjects are clearly marked, and you can wade through headers until you find a thread that interests you, or you see your name referred to by someone. When you see your name followed by someone else's slightly indented below yours (until you're 5 levels in), you can easily see the replies. Forgive me if you feel I'm talking down to you. I am trying to move on from the heated exchanges. :-) >Once in awhile someone will post something that resembles religion but not >very often. OTC, much of it is religion. Very little is Christian. jw >> >>Eagle > >"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >Ann Coulter On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:44:26 -0400, High_Colonic@webtv.net (Miss Anne Thrope) wrote: >"People accusing other people, and then calling them >names."...................Yep, that sure sounds like any group of >Christians to me! If you've spent ANY time reading the Bible, it's pretty much the same. It's just that you and some others don't recognize the name-calling in the ancient Hebrew and Greek. Jesus called names, as did Peter and Paul. What do you call Jesus calling the Pharisees "children of your father, Satan?" What do you call John the Baptist calling them "a brood of vipers." Even if you don't get the REAL names being called, and you accept the literal as I typed it above, there was PLENTY of name-calling. And Jesus was CONSTANTLY being heckled by the Pharisees everywhere He went. One of the more famous places where Jesus was ridiculed (challenged/tested) was when a Pharisee yelled, "Hey! Jesus! Are we to pay taxes to Caesar?" That was an OPEN challenge, in front of likely THOUSANDS of people. Did Jesus ignore him and continue preaching? He did not. Instead, He asked for a coin. He then showed the flock the coin, and asked, "Whose image is on this coin?" Someone yelled, "That's CAESAR!" Jesus responded, rebuking the Pharisee, "I say to you, render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's!" IOW, give Caesar his due (taxes), and give God (Jesus) His due as well. MT 22:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" MT 22:18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" MT 22:21 "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." MT 22:22 When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. It may get lost in the translation from 1st C Greek to 21st C American, but He was rebuked SOUNDLY. And He returned the rebuke in a MOST humiliating way. Jesus didn't coddle His detractors, in case you thought He handled everyone with kid gloves. When Peter got out of hand the day Jesus announced He had to die very soon, Jesus rebuked Peter's non-understanding! "Get out of my face, Peter!" in modern terms. In ancient Greek, He said, "Get behind me, Satan!" When Jesus began His ministry--and again when He ended it, He went into the temple and found money changers there, robbing the Jews who had come to offer sacrifices. He was F U R I O U S! Talk about a T E M P E R T A N T R U M !!! The text says He grabbed a piece of rope (probably a short cord used to tie a animal cage shut. He tied a knot in the rope and used it as a club/whip and DROVE the money changers out, S H O U T I N G! GET OUT OF MY HOUSE! THIS IS A HOUSE OF PRAYER! YOU HAVE TURNED IT INTO A DEN OF THIEVES! MT 21:12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, " `My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' " Likewise, when James' disciples went to visit Peter at the gentile church Peter was building, they found Peter eating a gentile lunch (let's say roast pork and perhaps some shellfish). When Peter saw James' Jewish disciples, he was embarrassed about eating non-kosher food. He jumped up, went to the disciples and greeted them, but then refused to return to his meal. When Paul heard about that, Paul rebuked him ! "YOU HYPOCRITE! What's wrong with your food? It was just fine until *the Jews showed up got here!!!" These were not pleasant words. Paul was PISSED! And Peter, "the impulsive one" was caught in sin by his "younger brother" Paul. GAL 2:11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. Paul calls Peter and the Jews, and Barnabas all hypocrites! The apostles were "hypocrites?" I've heard since my childhood, " All Christians are hypocrites." We all know what the law is, but none of us keeps it. (and there's not much worse a name one can call a Christian than a "hypocrite." ) jw GAL 2:11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:26:41 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:44:26 -0400, High_Colonic@webtv.net (Miss Anne >Thrope) wrote: > >>"People accusing other people, and then calling them >>names."...................Yep, that sure sounds like any group of >>Christians to me! > > >See what an example is being shown for Christianity. Even a non >Christian (I think) notices this. What you are both missing, Larry, is that it was this way even when Jesus was here. Don't let non-believers make you feel guilty. jw On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:47:47 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:38:52 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >> >>>On 26 Aug 2004 23:10:20 GMT, Mike Andrade <ma@box.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>Eagle@kingbird (TheEagle) wrote in >>>>news:9551B4752eagle@corp.supernews.com: >>>> >>>>> I came here about a month ago, and only posted a few messages, >>>>> then I had to be away for a couple of weeks. >>>>> >>>>> When I returned, I saw what looks to me like nothing but a war >>>>> zone. >>>>> >>>>> People accusing other people, and calling them all kinds of names. >>>>> >>>>> Is this REALLY a Christian group? It sure doesn't look like one. >>>>> >>>>I am also new to the group and I concur. >>> >>>Mike and Eagle, >>>Stick around if you can please. It is nice to find other Christians >>>that really are Christians. You are right, it doesn't sound much like >>>one. I used to get caught up in this. But I have not posted as much in >>>here any more. >>> >>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.) >> >>You consider the Legalist John Hennekes a good guy? You have dropped >>two notches in my esteem. >> >> >>jw > >Yes John I do. I am not saying I always agree with him. But he has >shown me the love of Christ. I do not agree with him, and I don't consider him a good guy because he's never shown me the love of Christ. All I've seen from John H is the sole of his size 12 combat boots. Even though you do not agree with him. I do not agree with his venomous attacks on me, his flat out rejection of my openly admitted mental illness, which I have tried to eplain is genetic, and therefore beyond my control. His response was that if I was a real Christian, I wouldn't be mentally ill. He knows better then God. God made me this way. >May I suggest you try to get to know him. (in an email would be better >for you both) No thanks. 6 months of his daily abuse was enough. He has also shown no inclination of EVER patching things up with me, though I have offered half-a-dozen times. . He long ago declared me a lost cause. That is fine with me. At least now he ignores me for the most part. Be his friend if you wish. But the first time you cross his imaginary line in the sand, he will jump on you like a wildcat. I committed the unpardonable sin by #1 cursing in here (big deal) #2 saying Jesus cursed ( He did, according to my scholars) John H is a Judaizer, and I have NO use for Judaizers. He is not correctable, but he LOVES to jump in with correction. My philosophy, as I've told you, and you and I have the same difficulty. "Do not presume to correct me if you will not allow me to correct you." God bless! jw > >> >> >>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >>>understand. >>> >>>May God bless you and keep you, >>>Larry On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:41:58 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:41:05 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> >wrote: > >>On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:24:35 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:20:46 -0400, romath@romath.net wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:42:42 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> done >>>>went and wrote as Gospel Truth in these here little old Usenet >>>>News'FROUPS: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:09:49 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>There are some good people in here. (Kay/Karen, Deacon, John H.,CB) >>>>>>to name a few. I pray you will stay around, but if not, I will >>>>>>understand. >>>>> >>>>>Oh, thanks :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Well, hey, CB-- I reckon I'm 'no good' either!! LOL! >>>>Welcome to the club! :o) >>>> >>>>Oh well--- God bless Larry regardless. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========================================================== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JESUS IS THE ROCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> < God doesn't call the qualified; He qualifies the called > >>>> ========================================================== >>> >>>Elaine, >>>You replied exactly like I thought you would. I left your name off the >>>list on purpose. Just because your name was not mention, you get a >>>little upset it seems. >>> >>>To be honest with you, I do not think of you as a very good Christian. >>>That is my opinion, by what I have seen you post. You do not show love >>>except to those who more or less side with you. You do not show the >>>fruit of the spirit. >>> >>>I know I am not perfect, we all have our faults. But are we not >>>suppose to be Christ like? Are we not suppose to pattern ourselves >>>after Jesus Christ? Do you think you are? >>> >>>You don't have to answer those, just think on them. >>> >>>Actually when I first met CB, I thought he was a good Christian, but >>>as of late, he seems to have been slipping. I will pray for him as >>>well as you. >> >>Do you even know what a "good" Christian is? > >Yes > >>You want to play this "keeping the law" game? > >Who says I am playing a game, not me. I am doing the best that I can >to be Christ like. > >>What makes you so much "holier" than anyone else? > >I never said I was, that is you saying that. I know that I sin, I know >that I am not perfect. And when I sin against someone, I ask for >forgiveness from that person. Not to attack, Larry, but you are only telling a half-truth here. You repent and ask for forgiveness OHLY if you become convinced that you have sinned, which in my case has been roughly 1/5th or less of the time. You have called me aliar NUMEROUS times, based ONLY upon your ASSUMPTIONS that I wasn't being honest. That hurt deeply. But I recovered. I simply gave up on us ever being "close friends." I will not/cannot ever be friends with someone who questions my integrity. And if you hurt someone's feelings, then you have sinned. When they say, "that really upset me, Larry!" you should be EAGER to apologize and repent and ask for forgiveness. With ME, I tell you you've hurt me, and you give me an argument, that if you didn't mean to "shoot my dog" (so to speak) then I shouldn't be upset that your stray bullet killed my dog. your intentions are not NEARLY as important as the end result. But if you didn't INTEND to hurt me, or someone else, but you did even though you meant well, then there is no apology or repentance forthcoming. I love you anyway, but it's one of your flaws that you ought to look at in more depth. We ARE responsible for how our actions and our words are received. Let's say you are waiting to cross the street downtown. In the crowd of people around you (let's say there are 10 of you waiting) is a man directly in front of you, first in line. The light changes and everyone else starts across, except the guy in front of you. You bark, "let's go, dude! What? Are you BLIND?" you walk around him, still growling, and only as you get by him do you realize he's blind. He didn't see the light to begin with. Do you apologize for the rude remark? (you'd probably say of course). My point is, what you ARE doing is, "Well, I didn't know he was blind, so I'm not responsible for that rude remark!" Now I don't mean to argue, and I don't mean for you to get defensive and say, "I'd never do that." I'm merely giving you an example. Once you realize you goofed, your good intentions are irrelevant. The FACT remains, you were rude to a blind man due to "perceived misbehavior." Yet YOU, if you "didn't mean to" will not apologize. Is that LOVING? I contend it is not. Is that Christ like? I contend it is not. Would Jesus apologize? You better believe it! Jesus never deliberately offended ANYONE. Of course, He had perfect knowledge, so the situation wouldn't have come up with Him, but I think you get the point. It's called "putting yourself in the other guys' shoes. and you have a problem with that one. Before you criticize my behavior (you're doing it less these days), as our local Native Americans say, "before you criticize, walk a mile in my moccasins." Like you, I am doing my best. But you, unlike me, pleased the same, but you don't believe that I am doing MY best! God bless! jw > >> >> >> >>>May God bless both of you, >>>Larry >> >>"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >>Ann Coulter On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:11:15 GMT, "sweet" <sweet430@hotmail.com> wrote: >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >news:6q5ti0pc5patsecj8bepj3r4stepgcua68@4ax.com... >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:00:41 GMT, "sweet" <sweet430@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >> >news:n2iri09e06tt9advhv9roc58c98rub5adn@4ax.com... >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> On 25 Aug 2004 18:12:40 -0700, gary_zw@myway.com (gary_zw) wrote: >> > >> >- - - c u t - - - >> > >> >> However, to address the point more directly, the Oral Laws (Tradition) >> >> were considered equally as binding as those that were written. >> >> >> >> And Jesus REPEATEDLY broke the Sabbath. He healed on Sabbath, which >> >> INFURIATED the Jews. He ate without washing His hands, etc. >> > >> >The oral tradition is a mixture of all the teachers of the law. It is not >> >God's word which was delivered by the profits and ignored by ancient >> >(national) Israel. I was told that this is in Isaiah: (paraphrased) 'Yet >> >there will come a time when men follow man's traditions and not the word >of >> >God.' That was true at the golden calf, when the Lord walked the earth, >and >> >today. >> > >> >> And when the disciples came to Him and asked Him if He could pare down >> > >> >This is a mis-quote. Here is the passage as quoted from gospelcom.net' >NIV: >> >> Thanks for the attempt at "correcting me". However, as I recall from >> my childhood, some texts/translations DO say that some of the >> disciples came to Jesus with the question. This may have been a bad >> translation at the time. I admit I may have remembered incorrectly. >> However, to not get hung up in trivia of "who asked Him that >> question?" The issue is NOT WHO asked? the issue is the answer. >> >> There were two laws He gave them. Love God, and love one another. >> >> The answer doesn't change no matter who asked the question. And thanks >> for the attempt, but you didn't see where I was going, evidently,and >> your need to be "correct" overshadowed" the point I was making. >> >> When Jesus gave us those two laws, Sabbath was NOT mentioned, and >> nowhere else in the gospels does He reinstate Sabbath. >> >> We DO see, at the end of John's gospel, that after HE arose, He joined >> the disciples in two separate Sunday Christian services a week apart, >> which we see in the John 20 passage. >> >> > >> >28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard >> > them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given >> > them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the >> > commandments, which is the most important?" >> > >> >29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is >> > this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord >> > is one. >> > >> >30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and >> > with all your soul and with all your mind and with >> > all your strength.' >> > >> >31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' >> > There is no commandment greater than these." >> > >> >32 "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right >> > in saying that God is one and there is no other but >> > him. >> > >> >33 To love him with all your heart, with all your >> > understanding and with all your strength, and to love >> > your neighbor as yourself is more important than all >> > burnt offerings and sacrifices." >> > >> >34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he >> > said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of >> > God." And from then on no one dared ask him any >> > more questions. >> > >> >Our Lord was not asked to "prune down" any commandments. >> >> nonsense. He was asked if He could/would narrow down what they were >> expected to do. He did. One commandment, and then He gave them one >> m0ore. >> >> >> You also used the wrong passage, which is typical with dishonest >> discourse over scripture. >> >> Try on these two. >> >> MT 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the >> Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested >> him with this question: 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment >> in the Law?" >> >> MT 22:37 Jesus replied: " `Love the Lord your God with all your >> heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the >> first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: `Love >> your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on >> these two commandments." >> >> >> The scholars who have taught me have said, in modern American, this >> translates to, "If you obey these two laws, you have fulfilled the >> law." >> >> I think that interpretation from my scholars is as good as yours, even >> superior. >> >> >> Also Paul's comments on the same subject. Would you admit/agree that >> Paul's words as are authoritative as Christ's? If they are in the >> bible? >> >> Paul said, >> >> GAL 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use >> your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another >> in love. >> >> ---> 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your >> neighbor as yourself." <--- >> >> > >> >> the laws to a few that were manageable, He responded, "Sure. Love the >> >> Lord your god with all your heart,mind, and soul. And I'll give you a >> >> second. Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Then He put the cap >> >> on. "If you do these two, YOU HAVE FULFILLED THE LAW." >> > >> >As you can see, He did not say what you think He said. >> >> If I "misquoted" I apologize. I will never misquote deliberately. >> >> However, that interpretation still fits with what He said, IMHO. >> >> >> > >> >> NO mention of keeping the Sabbath, and this would have been the >> >> PERFECT place to reinstate it. >> > >> >Don't we show our love for God on the Sabbath? >> >> As I have given MY interpretation, now you are giving Yours. I think >> Paul indicated clearly that God is MUCH more concerned THAT we worship >> than He is hung up on which day. >> >> >> Sabbath was intended to begin with, for the Jews, not we gentiles. >> >> Ex 31:16-17 >> >> Sabbath is for the Jews. >> >> Besides, Christ was not >> >dismissing the other commandments by saying love God and your fellow man. >> >> No, He was saying if you love God with all your heart, and if you love >> your fellow man as you love your own flesh, you will not offend God. >> >> >> Jesus NEVER preached that we must keep Sabbath. And after He arose, He >> personally attended not one, but two Sunday Christian services that >> are recorded in John 20. One the evening of the SUNDAY He arose; the >> next was the following SUNDAY. >> >> >> Worship as you wish for a Judaiser (one who is hung up on the Old >> Testament.) The Bible says I am "free indeed," and part of that >> freedom is choosing what Bible to read, what church to attend, and on >> what day(s) to worship. >> >> >> jw >> >> >> > >> >- - - c u t - - - >> > >Not one of the ten commandments says: "love God," nor "love your neighbor." >Our Lord always spoke in parables. His reply is a summary of the 2 themes in >the ten commandments. As such they are all there. 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" HE was NOT asked, "Lord, which is the greatest THEME in the commandments?" When you have to reword the verse to "prove your point", you have #1 already last #2 become a false teacher The Scriptures are QUITE capable of speaking for God. They don't need our help. 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" "Which is the greatest COMMANDMENT?" NOT Which is the greatest theme? He answered, "The greatest commandment is Love God with all your heart!" (the first) And I'll give you a 2nd commandment/ (NOT theme). Love your neighbor as you love yourself. You are dishonest, disingenuous, and a liar. IOW, no matter WHAT the Bible actually says, by hook or by crook you will insert the Sabbath! Ex 31:16-17 Sabbath is for the Jews. I am not a Jew. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:36:24 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote: > >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote > in message news:6q5ti0pc5patsecj8bepj3r4stepgcua68@4ax.com... > >> >> >> Sabbath was intended to begin with, for the Jews, not we gentiles. >> >> Ex 31:16-17 >> >> Sabbath is for the Jews. >> > >We are specifically told that it is for everyone on the face of the whole earth who desires to.. We are specifically told that it WAS for everyone on the face of the whole earth who desired to.. > ^^^^^^^^ > > 1. "join themselves to the LORD" > 2. "to love the name of the LORD" > 3. "and to be his servants" > > ** > > Blessed is the man who does this, > and the son of man who holds it fast, > who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, > and keeps his hand from doing any evil." > Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, > "The LORD will surely separate me from his people"; > and let not the eunuch say, > "Behold, I am a dry tree." > For thus says the LORD: > "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, > who choose the things that please me > and hold fast my covenant, > I will give in my house and within my walls > a monument and a name > better than sons and daughters; > I will give them an everlasting name > that shall not be cut off. > "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, > to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, > and to be his servants, >----> everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, > and holds fast my covenant-- > these I will bring to my holy mountain, > and make them joyful in my house of prayer. > > ~ Isaiah 56:1-7a ~ ESV OLD TESTAMENT. NEW TESTAMENT. I have now given 2 references in John, 1 in Acts and one in Corinthians? That say you are incorrect in your interpretation. Jesus personally attended the two Sunday services in John And you CONTINUE to go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round as you repudiate Paul, COL 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. And that is E X A C T L Y what you are doing."judging non-Sabbatarians "...by what we eat or drink, or with regard to religious festivals, New Moons, and Sabbaths." Y9u are apostate. God bless! And I continue to pray that you find the Christ Jesus of the New Testament. And kindly stop dumping your legalism feces in the BAPTIST group. We are as convinced of Sunday worship as you are of Judaism. jw jw > >These great blessings are for all who will..God does not exclude. >But they are not for those who choose to live in rebellion against >their Maker living out the dictates of their carnal nature. Because >"the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the >law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the >flesh cannot please God" Rom 8:7,8. > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:01:59 +1000, "Kaspa" <laspa07@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Jesus said > "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."John 14:15 And I find NO commandment where Jesus ordered us Christians to keep Sabbath. The Bible says they didn't. > > >>Jesus personally attended the two Sunday services in John > >Jesus personaly attended many more Sabbath services. But you don't care what the Bible says; you prefer your pre-conceptions. You have a demon of deception. And you IGNORE Paul's command to not argue over Sabbath. You know even more than Paul, and Jesus who observed Sunday worship after He Rose. You simply aren't interested in Truth. and why is this barf in the Baptist group? Jesus went to Temple on Sabbath BECAUSE that was where the Jews were on Sabbath. He then went to the market on Monday, to the town square on Tuesday, down to the river on Wednesday, up to the Mt of Olives on Thursday, over to Miriam's house (or someone's house) on Friday, back to Temple on Sabbath (that was where the Jews were). He went where the people congregated. And you brush aside the FACT that He attended two CHRISTIAN worship services the Sunday He rose, and the following Sunday. IOW, you aren't interested in the Truth of scripture. You are merely a Judaizer. I am a Christian. Drop it. jw > >"And you CONTINUE to go round and round and round and round and round >and round and round and round and round and round and round and round >and round and round and round and round and round and round and round >and round and round and round and round and round and round and round >and round and round and round and round and round and round and round >and round and round and round and round" with the same old weak arguments >that we have all seen before. > >as you repudiate Jesus Lord of the Sabbath > There is NO commandment to worship on Sabbath. There is only a commandment to worship. And I do. On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:34:48 -0500, "Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote: >All of what I am about to share has been shared before so I will just >mention a few things here. First of all if we open God's Word trying to find >scripture to back up what we already believe we cannot say we are seeking >the truth. If we are to really seek the truth in God's word we must put >aside all of our preconceived ideas and things we have been taught by man >and come to His word with an open heart and a yearning to learn the truth, >asking God's guidance through His Holy Spirit. > > > >Acts 20 is a prime example. Trying to make it say what you already believe >is easily done, but it is not the truth because it entails deleting, adding >to or distortion and we are sternly warned about doing that. No where are we >told it was a Sunday morning or that Paul preached all day. What does it >really say? > And AROUND and AROUND And AROUND and AROUND And AROUND and AROUND And AROUND and AROUND. It says, "on the first day of the week," right off the bat. If that's not a Sunday, my calendar is off. Talk about twisting the text to say what you want it to say, and disregarding the LITERAL text! What about John chapter 20, where we see, not ONE, but TWO Sunday services. What makes me think God approved? Because Jesus attended both. (it doesn't matter what they were doing. If they gathered to clean up the church on Sunday, and then to have lunch and dinner (lunch before/dinner after), with a 30 minute Bible study and a 30 minute sermonette, that is a Sunday service.) There was 1 of these Sunday meetings (church) the evening He rose, and the same passage says "the following week" (the next Sunday), they met again, and Jesus attended. Believe as you wish. I will believe the literal. It is YOU who holds to the traditions of men, worshipping on the Old Testament Sabbath, which was given to the JEWS to begin with. Ex 31:16-17 Like I have said, go ahead and search out ONLY THOSE PASSAGES that seem to fit your beliefs, and CONTINUE TO IGNORE those that do not. I shall find EVERY passage, and make them fit. There are enough Sunday service passages to make me believe the day of the week does not matter. jw > > On 26 Aug 2004 17:50:10 -0700, SubscriptionsJC@comcast.net (Joe Cipriani) wrote: >"Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote in message news:<2p4sg7Fh4hb2U1@uni-berlin.de>... >> "J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote >> in message news:ao9qi01k1o8g0736ntviibd5fuefi0645k@4ax.com... >> >> > >> > ...as I read my Bible, I find not ONE passage in which Christ taught Sabbath worship. >> >> He taught it by living it!...by attending public worship every >> Sabbath (Lk4:16), and doing good to those in need. That's >> how He taught it. Conversely,He never mentioned the word >> Sunday! So, the supposed change was never authorized by >> Him. >> >> > And I DO find at least two times in the New Testament where Sunday >> > worship was BLESSED by God. >> > >> > Find them and get back to me. >> > >> > Hint. John and Acts. >> >> The purpose for the John passage assembly, was not to celebrate >> a resurrection (they didn't even believe in it at that point), but "for >> fear of the Jews." So how do you figure it was 'blessed by God"? >> > >> > jw >> >> Those who wish to follow Jesus will in His strength..break >> from the traditions contrary to the commandments of God. > >In the past I often used to ponder how the Jews could so easily miss >their Messiah? The Old Testament is full of testimony by the prophets >of the Christ that it just shatters the imagination. > >But then we come to the Sabbath. The Catholic Church boldly >acknowledges that Saturday is the true biblical Sabbath. They freely >admit they "consecrated" Sunday in place of Saturday to celebrate the >resurrection. They freely admit that there is no scriptural evidence >to justify changing from Saturday to Sunday. The RCC is the LAST place I would look for justification of Sunday worship. As I can find NUMEROUS Sunday services in the New Testament, two which Christ attended Himself, I need not ask Rome's permission--or yours--for what day I worship. And I continue to wonder why this spamm keeps cluttering up a group that is known to be frequented by confirmed Sunday worshippers! jw (Just pick up a copy of >the Convert's Guide to Catechism or ask your local Catholic priest.) > >In addition to changing the day of worship They didn't. And if they claim otherwise, they' re lying. Sunday worship first appears in the New Testament. jw snip On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:10:52 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321remov@usa.net> wrote: > >"Joe Cipriani" <SubscriptionsJC@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> Hebrews 4 >> 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; > > >He never **changed** His holy day. Therefore, it **REMAINS**. Why does this carp continue to pollute the Baptist group, which are people who worship on Sunday? You continue to repudiate Paul AND Christ. Christ Himself attended the first two Sunday services, (John 20) jw > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:43:48 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:16:08 -0700 in episode ><q1lri01if3h38tgge4itm48h9ghha7uq5j@4ax.com> we saw our hero J W ><jw<no>@yoohoo.com>: > >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:13:12 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" >> <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:52:01 -0700 in episode >>><ce2qi0hmeepnqi0l6gcicfdiuqhhhm3cut@4ax.com> we saw our hero J W >>><jw<no>@yoohoo.com>: >>> >>>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:47:52 +0100, Jez >>>> <iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>John Weatherly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am not "praying for the death of millions of people..." So let that >>>>>> ease your mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> I DO see the deaths of millions as I believe scripture predicts. >>>>>> >>>>>> I pray, instead, for the immediate coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. >>>>> >>>>>Then your a fucking lunatic ! >>>> >>>> Takes one to know one, pal. >>>> >>>> And everyone has a right their own opinion. I have expressed mine, and >>>> now you have expressed yours! Ain't freedom wonderful? >>> >>>WILL YOU STOP THE GODDAMN NYM SHIFTING ALREADY? >> >> If you are going to address me, moron, curb your filthy tongue. > >Fuck you you dishonest piece of dog shit. If you are going to address me, demoniac, curb your filthy tongue. jw >snip On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:51:45 -0500, walksalone <spam@fcc.gov> wrote: >On 24 Aug 2004 23:09:54 -0700, bernard connor wrote: > >> walksalone <walksalone@dirty.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc> wrote in message news:<a0lgmyhtnlpz.i14rvipq7fta.dlg@40tude.net>... >>> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:48:01 -0700, John Weatherly cocked its leg & left >>> the following on the carpet. >>> Follow up set to troll's home captive group, the Baptist one. >>> >>>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:03:12 -0700, "RealOne" <RealOne@nospam> wrote: >>>> >>>>>**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet/2004/usenet.com **** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>><romath@romath.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:oanhi0tf3gs0fap0sfk93vpu543v1qc8uo@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:09:36 GMT, The Last Church > >snip > > >>>> And the Roman Catholic mess emerged from the pit in the 4th C AD. > >>> Now there is an unbiased self centered an opinion as can be, of course it >>> is wrong, but then you really don't care in your phobia about the RCC. >>> What's he matter, didn't the priest think you had earned a candy bar when >>> you were ten? > >>>> jw > >>> walksalone who does realise some people can not change, & some do not want >>> to. But in jw's case, I suspect it is a combination that keeps it going. > >> What has any of this to do with the topic,i.e., the foundation of the >> Vatican by the usurper and Dictator Mussolini, based on the illegal >> claim to temporal power by the Papacy?. > >Not a thing, but that often happens once jw enters a thread. Again, demoniac, if you don't like my posts, why are you so obsessively compelled to read every single one? must be some warped sort of love. jw snip On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:30:12 -0400, larry4355@adelphia.net wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:17:49 -0500, Kelly® <depassez33@yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>Hi. I don't really know what to say. >> >>I'm a gay female and i'd really like your prayers and emails. I wasn't >>raised like this but i fell into their trap and i can't get back out. >>I don't feel being gay is right, but i'm having a hard time getting >>out from this, this circle of "friends" that try to run my life. >> >>My life partner is trying to pressure me into marrige and adopting a >>child to raise. I don't know if this is the right thing to do or not. >>I want to, but something in my gut tells me NO!!! If you are serious about "leaving the lesbian lifestyle" you must put Christ first in your life, and you must LEAVE the entire life behind, including your "life partner.' What you are saying is that you want to quit drinking, but EVERYONE with whom you choose to associate drinks, and EVERYWHERE you choose to go there is alcohol. Meaning, you are making choices. You must make DIFFERENT choices. Find somewhere ELSE to go besides gay bars. Find other people (church folk) to associate with besides gays and lesbians. You must leave your "life partner." Your "life partner" is only that because you choose to remain there. You are in a fire, and you are being consumed (metaphorically), and even as your flesh burns away, you say, "but all my friends are in here!" If everyone you know started drinking a quart of arsenic every day, would you do that, too? >> >>Please, i want to do the right thing in terms of the Lord, but i don't >>know if i can. I am weak sometimes and she controls me. AGAIN, you have made that choice. What you must do is not merely pray, but ACT. Act like you wish to be, and you will change. Stop associating with the wrong people, and you won't be one of them. >> >>Please email me because i don't want this all over the internet. I >>just need some help and don't know where to turn. >> >>Thank you >> >>Kelly >> >>depassez33@yahoo.com > >You will have my prayers. Let me give you a url to go to, that may >help. > >http://www.intouch.org/ > >Here is another one > >http://www.equip.org/ > >And one more. > >http://www.billygraham.org/ > >In case you don't see this Kelly, I will email to you. > >May God bless you and keep you, >Larry Good stuff, Larry! I don't know "equip.org" but I know intouch, and I know billygraham. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:17:07 GMT, Rafeek <spam@spam.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 05:59:45 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > > >>>>Where do you get off poking fun at a stroke victim? >>> >>>Remember, you're on usenet/2004/usenet. Don't be so sensitive. >> >>Remember, we're on usenet/2004/usenet, where you get to be you and I get to be me. > >Of course you have the right to be however you like... We're all >sensitive in our own way, I suppose.. I'm just making the point that >if you get your feelings hurt easily by random people on usenet/2004/usenet, you >might be in the wrong place. Thanks for the advice. But I have been in here for about 3 years now, and I have seen that there are decent folks, and there are folks who prowl looking for those whom they perceive as "weak" to pounce on and "play with." I choose to be in here so that I can preach the gospel as I understand it. And I will also defend myself from those jerks who see me as a piece of tasty meat. jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:13:12 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: > >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >news:2r7qi0h3roqjml9v578mg2kgn9uu9oiu5u@4ax.com... >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:41:17 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message >> >news:IKnowHim-2508040918400001@pm1-34.kalama.com... >> >> In article <kkboi0930prdapi44irkjiktkhducr1dh8@4ax.com>, John Weatherly >> >> <johnw47@qwest.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > x-no-archive: yes >> >> > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:02:35 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message >> >> > >news:IKnowHim-2408040921500001@pm1-18.kalama.com... >> >> > >> Sowing & Reaping >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Here is a priciple(somethng that applies to everyone, everywhere >and >> >at >> >> > >> all times) that is a sure as the sunrise. Every farmer counts on >> >this >> >> > >> priciple to give him crops. He also knows that whatever seed he >sows >> >will >> >> > >> be the crop he will harvest(wheat, rye, oats). He knows that what >he >> >sows >> >> > >> will give him more than he sows, after he sows. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> This priciple also applies to those who sow lies, discord, hatred, >> >> > >> halftruths, etc. Later on they will reap more of what they have >sown >> >of >> >> > >> the same seed(type). This can also be true of he who sows >kindness, >> >> > >> helpfulness, truth and compassion. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> One cannot change this priciple no matter how much they scream, >> >become >> >> > >> angry, try and blame others or whatever they attempt. It always >> >comes >> >> > >> back on us and just like the bills they must be paid in full. >What >> >you >> >> > >> sow is what you will also reap(Gal 6:7). >> >> > >> >> >> > >> What seed are you sowing today? >> >> > > >> >> > >I don't know what seed I'm sowing but since you used the word >> >'priciple' >> >> > >three times I must ask you just what is a 'priciple' :-))))? >> >> > >> >> > Since I didn't see this original post, thanks, IKH. >> >> > >> >> > And might I suggest that you switch over to Agent if you aren't using >> >> > it, and that you turn on the spell checker? >> >> > >> >> > Regards! And God bless! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > jw >> >> > > >> >> ________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> I checked on your suggesion "Agent" the first time you made it and I >found >> >> it was only for Windows. I use Macs. >> >> >> >> My old fingers don't always hit the right keys anymore(lay it to a >small >> >> stroke a few years back I suppose). I have found that I am consistent >in >> >> my typing errors however and that gives me a little comfort... >> > >> >Sheesh, what a pack of liars. You are consistent in your ignorance. Are >you >> >attempting to tell me that 'priciple' is a typing error? BS! It doesn't >come >> >close to any typing method I've ever known. The fact is, IDon'tKnowShit, >> >that you are just dumb! >> >> Where do you get off poking fun at a stroke victim? >> >> You jerk! Perhaps you'll have more consideration when YOU have had >> several strokes. My buddy in my building has a withered left hand from >> a stoke, and he can hardly use his left hand at all. >> >> When I asked him if he could type on a computer, he said, "I can't >> type. The fingers don't work that well." >> >> My dad had 3 strokes, and his whole left side, from the eyebrow to the >> toes was frozen. > >If I have several strokes perhaps I will. I think , however, from the posts >that IDKS makes, that his problem is spelling and not typing. I know that >yours is lying but I have never paid much attention to your typing as I am >always amazed by your lies. I am not a liar, and that makes you one. jw > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:56:38 -0700, IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote: >In article <3h7qi0ttal2m3nkkf6119lm807cq7dagq8@4ax.com>, J W ><jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:18:40 -0700, IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com >> (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote: >> >> >In article <kkboi0930prdapi44irkjiktkhducr1dh8@4ax.com>, John Weatherly >> ><johnw47@qwest.net> wrote: >> > >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:02:35 -0400, "Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message >> >> >news:IKnowHim-2408040921500001@pm1-18.kalama.com... >> >> >> Sowing & Reaping >> >> >> >> >> >> Here is a priciple(somethng that applies to everyone, everywhere and at >> >> >> all times) that is a sure as the sunrise. Every farmer counts on this >> >> >> priciple to give him crops. He also knows that whatever seed he >sows will >> >> >> be the crop he will harvest(wheat, rye, oats). He knows that what >he sows >> >> >> will give him more than he sows, after he sows. >> >> >> >> >> >> This priciple also applies to those who sow lies, discord, hatred, >> >> >> halftruths, etc. Later on they will reap more of what they have sown of >> >> >> the same seed(type). This can also be true of he who sows kindness, >> >> >> helpfulness, truth and compassion. >> >> >> >> >> >> One cannot change this priciple no matter how much they scream, become >> >> >> angry, try and blame others or whatever they attempt. It always comes >> >> >> back on us and just like the bills they must be paid in full. What you >> >> >> sow is what you will also reap(Gal 6:7). >> >> >> >> >> >> What seed are you sowing today? >> >> > >> >> >I don't know what seed I'm sowing but since you used the word 'priciple' >> >> >three times I must ask you just what is a 'priciple' :-))))? >> >> >> >> Since I didn't see this original post, thanks, IKH. >> >> >> >> And might I suggest that you switch over to Agent if you aren't using >> >> it, and that you turn on the spell checker? >> >> >> >> Regards! And God bless! >> >> >> >> >> >> jw >> >> > >> >________________________________________________________ >> > >> >I checked on your suggesion "Agent" the first time you made it and I found >> >it was only for Windows. I use Macs. >> > >> >My old fingers don't always hit the right keys anymore(lay it to a small >> >stroke a few years back I suppose). I have found that I am consistent in >> >my typing errors however and that gives me a little comfort... >> >> Ah, hah! I suggest you write to ForteInc and ask if they'll ever have >> a Mac version. It's supposed to be the best program of its type out >> there. >> >> In the meantime, if I offended you in any way, forgive me, please. I >> know about bad typing. If you looked up "the world's worst typist" in >> the encyclopedia, it's a picture of me. ;-) >> >> Seriously, I have "medication palsy". In my youth, in my healthier >> days, I used to volunteer to do things for folks with shaky hands. I >> now have to find someone with steady hands to help ME. >> >> On bad days, I can hardly feed myself. >> >> The folks in here have commented more than once on the "writer who >> doesn't even bother with the spell checker". Well, I crash a LOT. And >> half the time, when I reinstall, I forget to turn on the spell >> checker. And sometimes, when I have a dozen windows open, I hit >> something wrong and I send without even getting to spell check. >> >> "Do the best you can, and shoot the screamers..." ;-) >> >> >> God bless, >> >> >> jw >_____________________________________________________ > >No, you cannot offend a dead man you know... > >Yes, old age is not for sissies as my 93 old mother used to say. Thanks for the reminder. You have reminded me of two sayings from my youth. My sister came up with one, my mother the other. "Real life ain't for sissies." came from my sister, when my mom was belly aching about something. My mom then made the comment, "Don't knock old age; we don't all get there!" > >The importand aspect of these NGs is to tell the truth of the Gospel of >the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, and you may have noticed that in spite of the ongoing attacks on virtually every conceivable topic, I continue to shake it off (sometimes after a few choice words), and I come back with the gospel. Many of these poor lost souls may never hear it >except here so even with typing and grammer errors it is getting out. Yes. Paul said that he would present his feeble message (it wasn't feeble), he would be a Jew to the Jews, a Roman to the Romans, a Greek to the Greeks. So that, by ANY means possible, he might bring SOME into the kingdom! And he DID THAT! > >Keep plugging away. God has a new, perfect body on order for us. Won't >that be grand? Yep! I will no longer be sickly (have been my entire life; at least now I know what it's called). I will have a perfect body, and a healthy, disease-free mind. God bless! jw On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:10:10 GMT, "brian" <ohdannyboy@well.no> wrote: > >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >news:mrhri052itqvuu5gm5gk8l2ehttjfpunhn@4ax.com... >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:25:26 GMT, "brian" <ohdannyboy@well.no> wrote: >> >> > >> >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >> >news:m73qi05buchime4m2v1f34f206uar14lhi@4ax.com... >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:58:07 -0700, "Zerubbabel" >> >> <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Has anyone else noticed the shameless support of Pres. Bush and the >Kerry >> >> >bashing on the 700 Club. >> >> >> >> Robertson is a false prophet. I suggest you steer VERY clear of him. >> >> Support the missions he supports if you like, but steer clear of >> >> Robertson. >> > >> >Hi, hope you and yours are well. >> >> Thanks. Same to you. >> >> Mr. Robertson is a successful business >> >> True. However, he also claims to be an ordained minister of the >> gospel. The gospel he preaches, however, is NOT the gospel of Christ. >> Robertson is one of the major players in the "Word of Faith" cult, the >> "Peace and Prosperity" cult. He is of the same cloth as Oral Roberts >> ( a known witch), Rod Parsley, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, etc. All >> false prophets. >> >> >person, nothing else has any meaning in the modern evangelical >corporation. >> >> I beg to differ. I have personal knowledge of Dr. Billy Graham, who >> led me to Christ at the ripe old age of 5. He is a godly man, and not >> a wealthy one. >> >> Before you accuse Dr. Graham, >Hello again, hope you are well. I re read my post, I dont see I said >anything about Dr Graham. Didn't say you did. I merely cautioned you against labeling ALL evangelists by what you see Benny and Pat and Oral doing. They are charlatans, and they will have their reward. Dr. Graham is a godly man, and I will always defend him. Mr Robertson is a good businessman. That is all >that matters in his brand of religion. That is what I was saying. Take care. Agreed. But he is not an "evangelist" in the true sense. He's a snake oil salesman, selling "miracles". > > >I suggest you read a few of his books, >> and not just read the commentary about him by the haters and the >> jealous. >> >> >> jw >> >> >> >> Have you forgotten his lies about "God promised him the White House?" >> >> Last I looked, he never even won 1 primary in one state the year he >> >> "ran." And if you look at his books, "Secrets of the Kingdom", turn >> >> it over and read the back cover. His "huge vision" in which he >> >> received the "Secrets" from an "angel of light" (clue) occurred as he >> >> walked the beach one midnight. Who is the Prince of Darkness? The >> >> Prince of Midnight? It sure isn't God's Holy Spirit! >> >> >> >> He may believe in what he's doing; I have serious doubts. But he is no >> >> minister of God. >> >> >> >> jw >> >> >> >> If ever there was a ministry the IRS should >> >> >investigate, it is this. I was a one time supporter, but over the >years >> >> >I've seen Robetson use his ministry to drum up support for Central >> >American >> >> >terrorists and African dictators. I was not aware of that, but it does not surprise me. One of those I consider beneath dog poop is Jim Bakker. My mom who didn't know a charlatan from an evangelist was writing a check to Jim Bakker one day from her measly Social Security. I asked her what that was for, being concerned. She said he was raising money to send 5 million Bibles to Red Chinese Christians. She could ill afford the check she was writing, but a good Southern Baptist preacher's daughter, she would do without food to support a cause. Sadly, after her death, he got busted. And when they dug through his books, he had raised some 10 million for Bibles for China, but no record of one Chinese Bible being bought. What he HAD bought were more fancy cars, more fancy houses, etc. However, when you steal a widow's mite for personal gain, "you will have your reward." (not telling his viewers about his >> >> >financial dealings with them) He calls communist China our friend >while >> >> >they continue to persecute our brethren. He castigated Pres. Carter >but >> >had >> >> >nothing but praise for Pres. Reagan, though Reagan never attended >church Not so. I happen to have know a good friend of Ronald Reagan and what you have just stated you need to corroborate. I was friends for many years with RR's best friend, the actor Greg Walcott. If you recall the 60s/70s TV program, 87th Precinct, Greg Walcott was the lead actor. He was also the Vice President/President (?) of the Southern Baptist convention for many years. I ran into Greg again while RR was in the WH, and asked him how well he knew RR. They were best buddies, belonged to the same "house church", met every week in one or the other's homes, and he and RR were both members in good standing of Bel Aire Presbyterian, where he "attended whenever he was in town". He said RR was the "finest born-again Christian" he knew. As for NR having astrologers in the WH, "judge not..." We all have our blind spots. My own mother, a preacher's daughter, enjoyed her horoscopes. I could give you a LONG list of sins good Christians commit. And we know Paul remained "the worst of sinners" by his own admission for his entire lire, even though he was the most dynamic preacher of his day. >> >and >> >> >his wife had astrologers consult the White House. He built a TV >network >> >> >with the support of millions of Christian contributors, and then sold >the >> >> >network to Rupert Murdock (FOX) and put a reported 14 million in his >own >> >> >pocket. Again, you need to REALLY document some of this. Thus far, you are WAY off about RR. At the time I was a pastor and I contacted the 700 Club to >see >> >if >> >> >the reports were true, --I was directed to contact the new owners, >they >> >> >wouldn't release any information. Watch the program! Most of the >time >> >is >> >> >spent on politics, I have no problem with Robertson's view on politics. Whether I agree with him or not, it's good to get that perspective. As Dr. Moody says, "if you are a mature Christian, it doesn't matter where you get your information. I can learn from the Dali Llama, I can lean from Gandhi." He asked me if I ever eat watermelon. I said, "sure I do." He asked me "What do you do with the seeds?" I said, "I spit them out." Jess said, "so read everything you can get your hands on, open yourself to all sorts of sources of information, if you're mature in the faith, and eat the good stuff. just be sure to spit out the seeds." or forecasting the stock market, I appreciate that. or promoting the >700 >> >> >club. Of course he does. Then there is portion where everyone gets to 'Ask Pat' a >question >> >and >> >> >hear his pontifications. Yes, and this is where the false teaching comes in. Back in the 80s, we took a vacation to the >east >> >> >coast and visited CBN. My support ended at the guard shack (armed >> >guard). If you have been there, I have a question for you. I have been told that his "chapel" is built in the shape of a pentagram, and that the "podium", the "altar", or some key feature of the chapel is a large chunk of crystal. Is that correct? And if it is, do you understand the significance of the crystal? Dr Robert Schuller is a different story, The crystal cathedral may be the most beautiful church on the planet. >> >> >In the studio its nothing but a show. I went in, but my wife and >> >daughter >> >> >had to stay out, --children not allowed. They que-ed the applause! >It >> >was >> >> >disgusting. Everytime something happens that Pat predicted in the >past, >> >its >> >> >trumpeted as fulfilled prophesy, but his predictions that fail are >never >> >> >mentioned again. Yep. As I said, a false prophet. He prophesied that he'd be the next President. God had "revealed that to him." Yet he failed to win even one precinct. He even sucked in my own pastor, and then promptly forgot Robertson's false prophesy when he lost. My pastor said, "the politicians ganged up on him, and he never had a chance." I responded, "So you don't believe Paul when he said that the one elected is the one chosen by God." As my pastor, Dr. Wallace Wilson pondered that, I said, and you then do not believe God has the power to put the man of His choice in the White House!" He grumbled, "I see your point." Have you ever had to correct your Ph D, Th D pastor? It wasn't pleasant. And in regard to the "words of knowledge" given on >the >> >> >show, consider this: Uh, as for a "word of knowledge," my POV is, if God has a message for me, He'll tell ME, not Pat Robertson. if you had a large enough audience and your word >of >> >> >knowledge was somewhat general, the odds are good you might make a >hit. Yep. Called, "with 20 - 30 million followers, there's going to be SOMEONE with that problem." >> >And >> >> >then of course, you only report what you want. Yep. He reports the "positive answers"; he pretends there are no negative answers. Yet even Pat will have his reward. He's even smart enough to have a "looker" for us old guys beside him most of the time. The 50ish blonde is easy on my eyes. Thank God Ben Kinchlow left! Homely! The "word of >knowledge" >> >is >> >> >never directed to a specific person, such as Steve Anderson, Mission >> >Texas; >> >> >but to someone named carol, or someone with a bad tooth. If they had >to >> >> >send their revelations out by certified mail, they would be in >trouble. You're preaching to the choir! :-) >> >> > >> >> >Brothers and Sisters, >> >> > >> >> >Take a look at Jesus and His teaching and how He lived. >> >> >Take a look alook at these men and their teaching , and how they live. Yep. Jesus wasn't wealthy, "having not even a place to lay His head." >> >> > >> >> >NAS Ephesians 5:11 And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of >> >> >darkness, but instead >> >> >even expose them; >> >> > >> >> >Stop following false teachers. Stop sending them money. Don't worry about it. Their wealth will turn to dust. The ONE THING Pat Robertson and Paul Crouch have done (God DOES use Satan at times) is to set up enough "Christian" broadcasting towers around the world / and satellite, that when Christ returns, it is now technologically feasible to see it around the world live. God bless, And thanks for sharing. jw >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >> >> >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >> >> >-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- >> >> >> > >> > On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:37:00 -0500, CB <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:13:19 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> wrote: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:10:10 GMT, "brian" <ohdannyboy@well.no> wrote: >> >>> >>>"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >>>news:mrhri052itqvuu5gm5gk8l2ehttjfpunhn@4ax.com... >>>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:25:26 GMT, "brian" <ohdannyboy@well.no> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >>>> >news:m73qi05buchime4m2v1f34f206uar14lhi@4ax.com... >>>> >> x-no-archive: yes >>>> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:58:07 -0700, "Zerubbabel" >>>> >> <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >Has anyone else noticed the shameless support of Pres. Bush and the >>>Kerry >>>> >> >bashing on the 700 Club. >>>> >> >>>> >> Robertson is a false prophet. I suggest you steer VERY clear of him. >>>> >> Support the missions he supports if you like, but steer clear of >>>> >> Robertson. >>>> > >>>> >Hi, hope you and yours are well. >>>> >>>> Thanks. Same to you. >>>> >>>> Mr. Robertson is a successful business >>>> >>>> True. However, he also claims to be an ordained minister of the >>>> gospel. The gospel he preaches, however, is NOT the gospel of Christ. >>>> Robertson is one of the major players in the "Word of Faith" cult, the >>>> "Peace and Prosperity" cult. He is of the same cloth as Oral Roberts >>>> ( a known witch), Rod Parsley, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, etc. All >>>> false prophets. >>>> >>>> >person, nothing else has any meaning in the modern evangelical >>>corporation. >>>> >>>> I beg to differ. I have personal knowledge of Dr. Billy Graham, who >>>> led me to Christ at the ripe old age of 5. He is a godly man, and not >>>> a wealthy one. >>>> >>>> Before you accuse Dr. Graham, >>>Hello again, hope you are well. I re read my post, I dont see I said >>>anything about Dr Graham. >> >>Didn't say you did. I merely cautioned you against labeling ALL >>evangelists by what you see Benny and Pat and Oral doing. >> >>They are charlatans, and they will have their reward. Dr. Graham is a >>godly man, and I will always defend him. >> >> Mr Robertson is a good businessman. That is all >>>that matters in his brand of religion. That is what I was saying. Take care. >> >>Agreed. But he is not an "evangelist" in the true sense. He's a snake >>oil salesman, selling "miracles". The miracles I've experienced in my life have been real, and documented, whether Judaizers like you believe or not. And speaking of flim-flam, You seem to be intent on selling the lie that you're a Christian. jw > >Like you? > >"At least when right-wingers rant, there's a point." >Ann Coulter On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:29:01 +1000, "Raktizer Omheit" <cequka@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > The most obvious, and therefore, the most likely "Whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church. jw > >Could the Statue of Liberty be the Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelation >chs. 17 - 18, and could New York City be the new Babylon mentioned in >Revelation ch.18? The Statue of Liberty has seven spikes on her crown, and >the star - shaped Fort Wood, on which the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty >is built upon, has ten points. The Whore of Babylon sits on a scarlet beast >which has seven heads and ten horns [ Revelation 17 : 3 ]. The beast is the >antichrist according to Revelation ch.13. The U.S.A. was once a part of the >thirteen British Atlantic seaboard colonies, excluding those former British >colonies in what is now a part of Canada. The Whore of Babylon has a golden >cup according to Revelation 17 : 4. The Statue of Liberty's torch is covered >with gold. Revelation 17 : 5 says this: > >"5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE >MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." The bronze plaque >with the poem entitled "The New Colossus," and placed in the pedestal of the >Statue of Liberty in 1903, has this phrase: "and her name Mother of Exiles." >The lines in the poem, which says "Give me your tired, your poor, Your >huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming >shore", seem to me to echo and compete with Jesus Christ's words in Matthew >11 : 28 - 30, which says this: > >28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you >rest. > >29 "Take My Yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in >heart, and you will find rest for your souls. > >30 "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." > >Revelation ch. 18 : 17 - 19 describes the new Babylon as a great world >seaport and center of trade, and New York City is this. The New York Stock >Exchange, Wall Street, and The United Nations Organization have their >headquarters in New York City. The Hudson, Harlem, East, and Hackensack >Rivers empty into New York City, and many rivers in Connecticut also empty >into Long Island Sound. The place where the East River meets Long Island >Sound is called Hell Gate. On Long Island, there are suburbs of New York >City called North Babylon, West Babylon, and Babylon. Manhattan Island comes >from the Algonquian American Indian word Man-a-hat-ta, which means Island of >the Hills. Manhattan's Central Park, which covers 840 acres, or 340 hectares >in other words, has hills that rise and fall in gentle slopes. The rest of >Manhattan's hills have been leveled and excavated away, with much of the >rubble used as reclamation in Manhattan's many sea wharves. > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:03:11 -0700, "Zerubbabel" <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: > >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >news:40kri095jr3o0hnvcl1cqat228uq3i7hve@4ax.com... >> x-no-archive: yes >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:14:33 -0700, "Zerubbabel" >> <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >"J W @yoohoo.com>" <jw<no> wrote in message >> >news:rd3qi01ko47nlhgirro755lboucgt7aair@4ax.com... >> >> x-no-archive: yes >> >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:38:23 -0700, "Zerubbabel" >> >> <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Why is there no persecution of the majority of "Christians" in >America? >> >> >> >> You're kidding? You don't see the persecution going on? >> >SNIP >> And if you say one word to them, like "find a room," and they ask if >> you object to homosex, and you mistakenly say, "Yes, I do," if anyone >> other then them, or even if they, choose to call the police, you have >> just committed a crime. >> >> THAT is persecution. > >So, why are you not in jail? Because I have not yet been put in the position where that happened for preaching. However, after an argument with my wife, I WAS "tried and convicted" of "domestic violence", called a "verbal assault" (no joke) and I DID lose my home, all my assets, my car, and access to my child. Why? Because the local laws (and they're the same in most states) allowed her to prosecute me for "verbal assault." And she wanted uncontested custody, so she pushed it. Yes I'm talking about degree. Thinks are >coming to the point where not even worldy Christians are tolerated. Yet, >back to my original thesis: Why then are not the prisons full of >Christians? Because most Christians, I presume, have decided to knuckle under FOR NOW. However, I have predicted (and had people accuse me of being insane) that if/when the time comes that we Christians are outlawed PERIOD, and they come to my door with guns and ask me, "Are you a Christian?" I will not go quietly, and I will take a few of them with me. I do not believe that we must submit to Satan. And when the Christians were being fed to the lions, they eventually figured out that nothing in the Bible required them to "not resist." So they went into hiding, and when they were captured, they fought back. Why aren't we in camps? My reading of scripture is that that eventuality is coming. However, since you don't see it, I suggest that you may well be the lobster in the ice-cold kettle of water, with the fire under it. As you relax in your cold water, the water is heating imperceptibly, and before YOU know it, you're on someone's dinner plate. I don't know if I told you or someone else. In the 80s, it was illegal in Renton, Washington, (a suburb of Seattle) for a school student to carry a Bible to school, and illegal to hold a prayer meeting on school grounds; yet the Satanists where I was teaching (Kentridge High School, Renton, Washington) had an active coven going AT THE SCHOOL and had been provided a classroom in which to meet during lunch, before, and after classes. One of my buddies at church, one John Bryant, filed a lawsuit after his son was expelled for taking his Bible to school ANYWAY. His son was a warrior. (I bet if you did a search for John Bryant vs Renton, Washington school District, you'd find his case.) John sued "successfully", and now it is illegal in Renton to carry a Bible to school OR to worship Satan on school grounds. That is called "equal denial" as opposed to "equal access." I call that persecution whether you do or not. And I won't wait til the enemy is at my door with a gun before I fight back. Christians here are like Lot in Sodom, >tolerated as long as we go along, True. But not all who are labeled "Christians" are. accused of judging when we speak. But if >we love the Lord why are we living in Sodom? Find a better place to live, and let me know where you go. jw > > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:31:24 -0700, Michael Howard <nospam.removethis.mr_elpollodiablo@msn.com> wrote: >On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:20:31 -0700, J W <jw<no>@yoohoo.com> done said: > >>x-no-archive: yes >>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:38:23 -0700, "Zerubbabel" >><stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote: >> >>>Why is there no persecution of the majority of "Christians" in America? >> >>You're kidding? You don't see the persecution going on? While I do >>not believe in or support prayer in public schools, when it was >>outlawed back in the 60s, (during my high school days), there was a >>HUGE uproar from the Christian right. >> >>As of today, in Seattle, Washington, no minister within the city >>limits can speak out against homosex in a sermon from his pulpit. >>Seattle has made that a crime. I have asked a number of Seattle-area >>pastors how they're going to handle that one. "Go to jail," was the >>general consensus. >> ><snip> > >Not to nitpick, but if this is true how is it that it escaped national >attention? If YOU had not noticed, the media aren't exactly pro-Christian. And the law WAS announced when it was passed. I'm also sure that if you did the right searches in Seattle, you'd find the information. My social worker said, "That's common knowledge, John." There is no way that this would stand up in court. LOL!!! Since I happen to have been a A+ student of the law (US Constitution) in university, the "courts" don't even get involved until someone files a lawsuit that gets high enough. So far, "criticizing gays" has been classified in Seattle as "hate speech", and the last "challenge" I heard going to court agreed that ANY minority "verbally attacked", INCLUDING homosexuals, was considered a "hate crime." ALL that happened in Seattle/Washington state was that the "hate crime" legislation was EXPANDED to include "anti-gay" "hate speech." It >violates pretty much every aspect of the first amendment. I totally agree. As do the "domestic violence laws", which today make it a crime to have an argument with your wife. That is now called a "verbal assault" and it defies the 1st amendment. Doesn't matter. The legislators agree that the law is unconstitutional, but "it's still a good law." And today, they'd rather prosecute 100 innocent people for "verbal assault" than let 1 guilty person go free. The theory is, "If you yell at your wife today, stats say you'll hit her tomorrow." I have asked, "Isn't that PROSECUTION BEORE the crime?" Correct. But "domestic violence/verbal assault" is considered so HEINOUS a crime that the constitution is set aside. No kidding. I got that from Patty Murray, Jennifer Dunn, Slade Gorton, and several others. And since I don't have a million dollars to take it to the US Supreme Court, my goose is cooked. WJC signed SEVERAL illegal / unconstitutional bills into law his first few weeks in office. One amended the law to outlaw gun ownership for anyone who had EVER committed "domestic violence", including "verbal assault." The legislators have even redefined the terms. Now, in Seattle/Washington, an "assault" means a verbal altercation. "Battery" now means a physical contact, like a hit, a slap, a punch, or unwanted touching. (Both >restricting free speech and abridging the rights of free practice of >religion.) Check out Clinton's law banning gun ownership. It includes a section that forbids gun ownership for anyone who has EVER committed even "verbal assault." Until someone with $$$$$ challenges that, it remains on the books. All you are saying is that the appellate courts are as corrupt as any others. The 9th CC would strike this down before arguments were >finished. You assume too much. Yours is theory. I am telling you hard fact. > >I was not able to find any reference to this ordnance online. Could >you please point me to one? You'll have to keep trying. My searching skills are not as good as they might be, and I have been advised that likely the information is in a "pay for" database, which on Social Security, I can't afford. I can't even access the local newspaper/broadcast archives without paying for it. But to confirm, you may want to start with the Seattle Public Library, check with the City of Seattle Public Relations office/Office of Public Information, and check, with the Seattle Times and Seattle Post-Intelligence. Those would be a good start. I will tell you that I confirmed all this with my Social worker, Sean. So it's not my "fantasies." I'm living it. jw > > >----------------------------------- >mike > >The Mud and Mayhem Society

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